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Is it possible that the Texas and Michigan football programs will die out?
Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:34 am
Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:34 am
Michigan, with the exception of an 11-2/sugar bowl winning 2011 squad, has been garbage for eight years. They haven't won the big ten in a decade, and they very well might have hired a coach just as bad as Rich Rod. The fans have put up with all the turmoil and shitty performances for a long time now, but I think this is the season that many will just say "frick it", and mow the lawn on Saturday instead.
Texas, well, I don't have to explain it.
While the Longhorns haven't joined UM at rock bottom yet, part of me thinks the wolverines have made a permanent residence there.
When a team is hot garbage for the majority of a decade, it can't be blamed on the "cyclical" nature of programs. There are deep seated cultural and institutional problems up in Ann Arbor.
A plethora of teams consistently rise, fall temporarily, and rebound. What the hell is going on with UT and UM, then? With all that prestige and resource availability, they should be among the teams that most EASILY bounce back from inevitable downturns. But they haven't.
I know I sound like an arrogant first-worlder, who doesn't understand starvation, hunger, and poverty around the world, but I will be genuinely sad if Michigan football as a powerhouse exists only in memory in twenty years or so. This program has connected generations with each other, and now there is a very real chance it is permanently dying.
Will a light from the shadows spring, or will the big house become an ancient structure where you visit to hear the ghosts of glory days of yore?
Texas, well, I don't have to explain it.
While the Longhorns haven't joined UM at rock bottom yet, part of me thinks the wolverines have made a permanent residence there.
When a team is hot garbage for the majority of a decade, it can't be blamed on the "cyclical" nature of programs. There are deep seated cultural and institutional problems up in Ann Arbor.
A plethora of teams consistently rise, fall temporarily, and rebound. What the hell is going on with UT and UM, then? With all that prestige and resource availability, they should be among the teams that most EASILY bounce back from inevitable downturns. But they haven't.
I know I sound like an arrogant first-worlder, who doesn't understand starvation, hunger, and poverty around the world, but I will be genuinely sad if Michigan football as a powerhouse exists only in memory in twenty years or so. This program has connected generations with each other, and now there is a very real chance it is permanently dying.
Will a light from the shadows spring, or will the big house become an ancient structure where you visit to hear the ghosts of glory days of yore?
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:37 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yes.
Michigan will die because too many whites in the north and UTjr will die for copycatting VOLS for all these years.
Michigan will die because too many whites in the north and UTjr will die for copycatting VOLS for all these years.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:41 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
No.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:46 am to c on z
yes to Michigan, already has happened.. no to Texas, they're just in a down period IMO..
Posted on 9/7/14 at 3:50 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
C'mon, man. As many posters on here fondly remember, Alabama was putrid as recently as 2007. Just keep in mind it's cyclical. Michigan won the sugar bowl just a couple years ago,(something Alabama couldn't do) and they still have like a bajillion all-time wins. They'll be fine. Also, you've got to like their chances against Cryer and the frickeyes this year. 
Posted on 9/7/14 at 4:00 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
There are three big items in my mind that determine a program's trajectory:
* Local/regional demographics
* Investment in facilities
* Institutional strength (both athletic administration and coaching staff)
Demographics have shifted against Michigan; the Midwest isn't as talented as it used to be. I'm not sure what the state of Michigan's facilities or administration is, but Michigan has clearly struck out with the coaching staff in recent years: Rich Rodriguez was a disaster and it's hard to see Brady Hoke turning things around.
Demographics isn't fixable, but you still see Wisconsin competing at a high level year in and year out. Their demographic situation is worse than Michigan's. Everything else can be fixed, so while it's possible that Michigan is entering a terminal decline, it's also fixable. Alabama and LSU are perfect examples of programs that had issues outside of demographics in recent memory who nonetheless managed to fix those issues and enter their respective golden ages.
Essentially it's too soon to tell. I do think this is more than simply "national powerhouse goes into temporary down cycle, will be back soon." But the demographic situation isn't so dire that it can't be overcome, and everything else is fixable.
Texas is an even easier example because I'm not convinced that Charlie Strong is a bad coach or can't get the job done. They have institutional issues, but everything else is fine, and I think Strong can bring Texas back before long.
* Local/regional demographics
* Investment in facilities
* Institutional strength (both athletic administration and coaching staff)
Demographics have shifted against Michigan; the Midwest isn't as talented as it used to be. I'm not sure what the state of Michigan's facilities or administration is, but Michigan has clearly struck out with the coaching staff in recent years: Rich Rodriguez was a disaster and it's hard to see Brady Hoke turning things around.
Demographics isn't fixable, but you still see Wisconsin competing at a high level year in and year out. Their demographic situation is worse than Michigan's. Everything else can be fixed, so while it's possible that Michigan is entering a terminal decline, it's also fixable. Alabama and LSU are perfect examples of programs that had issues outside of demographics in recent memory who nonetheless managed to fix those issues and enter their respective golden ages.
Essentially it's too soon to tell. I do think this is more than simply "national powerhouse goes into temporary down cycle, will be back soon." But the demographic situation isn't so dire that it can't be overcome, and everything else is fixable.
Texas is an even easier example because I'm not convinced that Charlie Strong is a bad coach or can't get the job done. They have institutional issues, but everything else is fine, and I think Strong can bring Texas back before long.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 4:08 am to lsutothetop
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Demographics have shifted against Michigan; the Midwest isn't as talented as it used to be
The states of Michigan and Ohio still have talent and they load up there and have some national pull.
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Rich Rodriguez was a disaster and it's hard to see Brady Hoke turning things around.
Rich Rod got cut off at the knees by Michigan and Hoke isn't ready for the big time. A good coach can change things fast.
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 4:17 am
Posted on 9/7/14 at 4:36 am to saintsfan22
Yeah, the "RichRod was a disaster" narrative is a joke. The stiff-necked, arrogant Shembechler cultists sabotaged Rodriguez from the outset. I'm gonna laugh when he has more trips to the beloved Rose Bowl at Arizona than UM.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 4:43 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Michigan will eventually hire the right coach and be relevant again. Texas no doubt will be very good again. Too much talent in the state to stay down.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 5:43 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
both programs will bounce back.
most of the top big 10 coaches coach in the sec now. seriously. what the big 10 needs to do is go after the best coaches and PAY them.
tejas is not and never has been a PERINIAL (sp) powerhouse with the exception being Darryl royals squads in the sixties. sure, mac had them at a top level for a few years but if you look at their history they have been mediocre far more than not.
sad to say but I think the big 10 doesn't attract enough athletes that care about making the nfl way more than an education.
most of the top big 10 coaches coach in the sec now. seriously. what the big 10 needs to do is go after the best coaches and PAY them.
tejas is not and never has been a PERINIAL (sp) powerhouse with the exception being Darryl royals squads in the sixties. sure, mac had them at a top level for a few years but if you look at their history they have been mediocre far more than not.
sad to say but I think the big 10 doesn't attract enough athletes that care about making the nfl way more than an education.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 6:59 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
[Is it possible that the Texas and Michigan football programs will die out?}[/quote]
God, I hope so
God, I hope so
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:19 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Is it possible that the Texas and Michigan football programs will die out?
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:25 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
No.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:34 am to saintsfan22
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Rich Rod got cut off at the knees by Michigan and Hoke isn't ready for the big time. A good coach can change things fast.
This.
I'm no Rich Rod fan, but anyone who thinks he wasn't sabotaged and deemed an "outsider" by Michigan Men needs to read John Bacon's book "Three And Out." Here's a pretty telling excerpt of all the crap he had to deal with:
LINK
Like SF said, Hoke just wasn't/isn't ready for the big time. You can't not wear a headset and be plugged in to everything that is going on on the field.
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 7:38 am
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:55 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Yeah, the "RichRod was a disaster" narrative is a joke. The stiff-necked, arrogant Shembechler cultists sabotaged Rodriguez from the outset. I'm gonna laugh when he has more trips to the beloved Rose Bowl at Arizona than UM.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:59 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Michigan- yes.. imo, it is already happened/happening
Texas- no, Texas has $$$ and a MNC in the last ten years.. so, there is,that
Texas- no, Texas has $$$ and a MNC in the last ten years.. so, there is,that
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:03 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's possible (ex. Tennessee), but not probable.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:03 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
All it takes is a new coach.
Michigan will be back.
Michigan will be back.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:16 am to CBandits82
Your athletic dorm parking lot has a low % of Chargers. When there are more Chargers the wins will come.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:38 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The only reason UM, Nebraska, etc was able to compete was their ability to come to the south and recruit. Nebraska was great at doing this in Florida. Now with the southern teams keeping the talent at home, it will be an up hill challange for UM. Texas was outplayed by TAMU, but should bounce back im a few years.
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