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Is college football ruining QB play in the NFL?
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:38 am
Just about every team in college football is running some variation of the spread these days, including Alabama. With the possible exception of Georgia and LSU, there are hardly any teams in the SEC who snap the ball from under center more than from the shotgun.
I feel like a lot of these spread concepts rely on the sideline to make the read for the QB. That leads to poor preparation for the NFL where a QB absolutely HAS to read the defense before snapping the ball.
There just don't seem to be as many QBs coming out of college who are NFL-ready anymore.
I feel like a lot of these spread concepts rely on the sideline to make the read for the QB. That leads to poor preparation for the NFL where a QB absolutely HAS to read the defense before snapping the ball.
There just don't seem to be as many QBs coming out of college who are NFL-ready anymore.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 11:03 am
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:39 am to RollTide1987
Yeah Watson seems to be struggling coming from the spread.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:40 am to RollTide1987
I can't remember which game I was watching, I think it was a Titans game, but they said Mariota took a total of 3 snaps under center in college.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:41 am to RollTide1987
part of the problem is qb's leaving college based upon draft stock and not nfl readiness. its like the nfl penalizes you if you stay longer.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:41 am to RollTide1987
Carson, Dak, Watson and I'm sure there is a couple I'm missing from the last couple of years are all pretty good. If anything the transition is shorter than ever now.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:41 am to TH03
One QB. Also....let's see how he performs over the next five years or so before we grade his career a success.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:41 am to TH03
quote:Oh one guy is doing well...
Yeah Watson seems to be struggling coming from the spread.
yep, no problem here.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:43 am to TH03
quote:For every Watson there are 10 Vince Youngs.
Yeah Watson seems to be struggling coming from the spread.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:45 am to RollTide1987
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One QB. Also....let's see how he performs over the next five years or so before we grade his career a success.
Cam Newton won the MVP
Alex Smith is very good
Dak is good
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:45 am to StrongBackWeakMind
College coaches get paid and keep their jobs based on how many games they win.
Many have found that they can win more games by limiting the decisions, both pre-snap and post-snap, they allow the quarterback to make.
This means that QBs are being taught less about how to be a QB in general and more about how to be a QB in the very narrow confines of the offense they run.
It's not the college coaches' fault, they're just responding to incentives.
Many have found that they can win more games by limiting the decisions, both pre-snap and post-snap, they allow the quarterback to make.
This means that QBs are being taught less about how to be a QB in general and more about how to be a QB in the very narrow confines of the offense they run.
It's not the college coaches' fault, they're just responding to incentives.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:47 am to RollTide1987
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One QB
Lol one
Watson
Wentz
Dak
Mariota
Bridgewater before injury
All have been fairly good in their early careers. Add in Goff and Carr and there's a lot of promising young QBs right now.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:48 am to RollTide1987
Spread offense is a very misleading blanket term.
Watson and Dak had instant success because they cane out of systems that ran a lot of advanced pro style passing concepts with the QB making full progression reads.
Guys like Tribisky Kizer and Goff played in very simple quick read passing offenses so they need time to develop.
Goff has made unbelievable strides in one year so it can be done.
Watson and Dak had instant success because they cane out of systems that ran a lot of advanced pro style passing concepts with the QB making full progression reads.
Guys like Tribisky Kizer and Goff played in very simple quick read passing offenses so they need time to develop.
Goff has made unbelievable strides in one year so it can be done.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:48 am to RollTide1987
It's shitty scouting/evaluation and old-school mentality that is ruining QB play in the NFL. They love the 6-5, 230 pound QB who can throw a football through a brick wall but can't read a defense.
Take a guy like Case Keenum. He was an elite college QB but nobody wanted him because he's not a prototype NFL QB. Now he has the Vikings in first place. But guys like Brock Osweiler, Tom Savage and Christian Hackenburg get drafted because "he looks like an NFL quarterback.
Take a guy like Case Keenum. He was an elite college QB but nobody wanted him because he's not a prototype NFL QB. Now he has the Vikings in first place. But guys like Brock Osweiler, Tom Savage and Christian Hackenburg get drafted because "he looks like an NFL quarterback.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:48 am to RollTide1987
Perhaps the pro coaches could adjust instead of sending out the Brock Osweiler's of the world.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:48 am to ProjectP2294
I'm not blaming CFB coaches at all. It makes perfect sense to run the spread in college. But it makes the transition to pro-style NFL offenses more difficult.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:50 am to ProjectP2294
The problem is that now we've had this shift where we expect guys to start day one rookie year. Guys like Rodgers and Brady got time to learn and adjust to the league while we're expecting everyone to be ready to go game 1.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:50 am to RollTide1987
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There just don't seem to be as many QBs coming out of college who are NFL-ready anymore.
QBs aren't supposed to be NFL ready out of college. Before the current era of rushing rookie QBs into the starting job, teams used to sit QBs for two or three years so they can actually develop. Aaron Rodgers will be the first one to tell you that sitting three years behind Favre played a big role in why he is the QB today. Mike McCarthy and the Packers QB coach Tom Clements had to completely rebuild Rodgers' mechanics and that doesn't happen over the course of a few months. It takes time. If Rodgers had been rushed into the starting role his rookie year, it's very unlikely he would have had the career he's had today. Other NFL teams need to take note of that.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:51 am to Bench McElroy
Bingo. There are very few guys who can start day one. And even then they need a good team around them.
Andrew Luck was ready but that team is garbage around him.
Andrew Luck was ready but that team is garbage around him.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:52 am to TH03
quote:Did NFL teams used to not expect first round QBs to start day 1? ETA: If so, when did that shift occur?
The problem is that now we've had this shift where we expect guys to start day one rookie year.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:54 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Did NFL teams used to not expect first round QBs to start day 1?
For a long time, they did not expect them to start day 1. It was actually the exception not the rule when they did start early on. Rivers, Eli, Brady, Rodgers just to name a few did not start day 1.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:55 am
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