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How to fix college football's win at all cost image?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:46 am
The money has become so big in college football, from the coaches salaries to the multi-million dollar TV contracts, to the jersey and shoe contracts. It appears that many coaches are willing to take shortcuts and overlook or even condone unethical/illegal actions to maintain or collect their huge payday.
How many second chances do kids with questionable behavior deserve? I don't know, but they shouldn't get a second chance on the largest stage. If a kid gets dismissed from a team for criminal, immoral or unethical reasons he should not get a 2nd chance at P5 level, maybe the G5, but preferably the FCS level. The entitlement is so high with these kids and some coaches are so desperate to win it makes for a very bad combination.
Two things are at play here. Some coaches (not all) recruit the BEST players regardless of their moral make-up. I am not picking on Baylor or Ole Miss, they just happen to be the 2 schools in the news today.
Every coach has a code ethics by which he believes and follows. The only problem is that not all coaches possess the same ethics. I personally, would rather see a hard working 3* kid sign with a school instead of a 5* kid with questionable character.
Until ALL coaches are willing to pass on low character kids, nothing will change and the win at all cost mentality will remain.
How many second chances do kids with questionable behavior deserve? I don't know, but they shouldn't get a second chance on the largest stage. If a kid gets dismissed from a team for criminal, immoral or unethical reasons he should not get a 2nd chance at P5 level, maybe the G5, but preferably the FCS level. The entitlement is so high with these kids and some coaches are so desperate to win it makes for a very bad combination.
Two things are at play here. Some coaches (not all) recruit the BEST players regardless of their moral make-up. I am not picking on Baylor or Ole Miss, they just happen to be the 2 schools in the news today.
Every coach has a code ethics by which he believes and follows. The only problem is that not all coaches possess the same ethics. I personally, would rather see a hard working 3* kid sign with a school instead of a 5* kid with questionable character.
Until ALL coaches are willing to pass on low character kids, nothing will change and the win at all cost mentality will remain.
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:48 am to Oddibe
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Until ALL coaches are willing to pass on low character kids, nothing will change and the win at all cost mentality will remain.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:48 am to Oddibe
Driven by fans and alumni, and a totally impatient culture that wants what it wants NOW and if it's not delivered, NOW, coach is gone. Read the Rant, at all?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:48 am to Oddibe
Won't happen, because of the money involved it's that simple.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:48 am to Oddibe
If everyone followed the rules, what would the NCAA do to keep busy?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:52 am to BuckeyeFan87
Have to force schools to honor the scholarship.
Have to pull the reigns on Coaches leaving when ever they feel like it, even though under contract.
Transfers have to change, if kid wants to go back home, from an out of state school, he's allowed, with no year loss.
etc
Have to pull the reigns on Coaches leaving when ever they feel like it, even though under contract.
Transfers have to change, if kid wants to go back home, from an out of state school, he's allowed, with no year loss.
etc
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:53 am to Oddibe
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It appears that many coaches are willing to take shortcuts and overlook or even condone unethical/illegal actions to maintain or collect their huge payday.
This isn't exclusive to CFB, it happens in every industry of our society.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:54 am to stlslick
quote:I don't know if that would help address what the op is talking about, but this needs to happen.
Have to force schools to honor the scholarshi
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:55 am to stlslick
quote:Not one of those issues has to do with coaches recruiting low character kids and or breaking the rules.
Have to force schools to honor the scholarship.
Have to pull the reigns on Coaches leaving when ever they feel like it, even though under contract.
Transfers have to change, if kid wants to go back home, from an out of state school, he's allowed, with no year loss.
etc
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:55 am to Oddibe
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The money has become so big in college football, from the coaches salaries to the multi-million dollar TV contracts, to the jersey and shoe contracts. It appears that many coaches are willing to take shortcuts and overlook or even condone unethical/illegal actions to maintain or collect their huge payday
And you think this just started?
If anything, due to more media exposure I think coaches are held more accountable today than in year's past.
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:00 pm to Goldrush25
OP stated
Not honoring scholarship offers and scholarships is a huge deal in Win at all costs image.
Kids getting scholarship pulled day of, being told after seasons over they need to move on, so they can free up scholarships, that is win at all costs deals.
Once u offer and kid accepts, he's taken the spot, for the 4+1 years, if he redshirts.
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win at all cost image
Not honoring scholarship offers and scholarships is a huge deal in Win at all costs image.
Kids getting scholarship pulled day of, being told after seasons over they need to move on, so they can free up scholarships, that is win at all costs deals.
Once u offer and kid accepts, he's taken the spot, for the 4+1 years, if he redshirts.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:07 pm to castorinho
quote:I agree and I blame ESPN.
Won't happen, because of the money involved it's that simple.
ESPN was initially the greatest thing to ever happen to college football. The Big 3 now had to pay up to maintain tv coverage because of ESPN. The flexibility of ESPN's programming allowed them to have 3-4 games on Saturdays. They expanded and now its 8-12 games. Then they created networks solely for conferences. ESPN controls the bowl schedules along with televising about 90% of those games. ESPN was throwing so much money around they can't financially justify it. ESPN is NOT creating more viewers, just splitting the viewership over more games. I can only watch 1 game at a time. IF there are 3 games on at same time somebody has to make a choice which one to watch.
Short version....Espn was good. Now Espn is evil.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:13 pm to Oddibe
Because without boosters paying kids to go to these schools no big time recruit would ever set foot in baton rouge,tuscaloosa or any other crap towns. Every top recruit would want to live in los angeles or miami or any other big town. The money, the help for their families is what keeps a piece of junk like tuscaloosa even relevant to these recruits. If I was 18 and all schools were equal and nobody could offer me more, Id be on my way to USC or UCLA for the best 4 years of my life.
Youre incredibly naive if you dont think boosters pay these kids. Hell I remember when I was doing my MBA at LSU. I ran into the basketball team one night at pluckers. Glen Davis had a Magnum with rims. Tasmin Mitchell had an escalade, funny how this top recruit was driving that, and charles scott the running back was with them driving a nice new truck on rims.....yet all these kids are poor right???? Give me a break. I dont care, it doesnt upset me, i hope LSU wins every title imaginable, but reality is nobody is coming to the shitehole that is baton rouge if theyre a big time recruit without incentives. Im sure Ben Simmons just ignored every beautiful city on earth to come to LSU bc of his godfather and that alone.
Youre incredibly naive if you dont think boosters pay these kids. Hell I remember when I was doing my MBA at LSU. I ran into the basketball team one night at pluckers. Glen Davis had a Magnum with rims. Tasmin Mitchell had an escalade, funny how this top recruit was driving that, and charles scott the running back was with them driving a nice new truck on rims.....yet all these kids are poor right???? Give me a break. I dont care, it doesnt upset me, i hope LSU wins every title imaginable, but reality is nobody is coming to the shitehole that is baton rouge if theyre a big time recruit without incentives. Im sure Ben Simmons just ignored every beautiful city on earth to come to LSU bc of his godfather and that alone.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:15 pm to stlslick
quote:
Have to force schools to honor the scholarship.
I'm no Georgia or Miami fan, but this is one of the reasons I've always admired Mark Richt.
He was one of the few who was honoring 4 year scholarships back before anyone was screaming about the one year renewable system.
It would definitely put coaches' feet to the fire in terms of terms of player evaluation.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:20 pm to Oddibe
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Until ALL coaches are willing to pass on low character kids, nothing will change and the win at all cost mentality will remain.
This is incredibly naive and over-generalized.
There are plenty of "low character" kids who go to schools and play for teams whose players aren't raping everything that moves. These kids have earned a chance by their performance. The problem is they're playing for coaches who don't give a shite about them as human beings as long as they win. There's no mentoring at those schools--nobody they can associate with or relate to who will kick their arse into shape and teach them what it means to be a real man.
It's the disconnect that's the problem. Some punk who's skated by all his life and got away with everything because he had talent goes play for some rich 60-year-old or older white millionaire who tells you "I don't give a shite what you do as long as you don't get caught"--of course the situation will be toxic. But not every school is totally like that.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:22 pm to Goldrush25
quote:I think Bobby Bowden was the first coach to make $1 million a year and that was in 2001. That number has now quadrupled in 15 years, so yes, I would say it's a relatively new phenomenon. There is a certain coach in the SEC making $5M a year and never finished better than 3rd....in the WEST.
And you think this just started?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:30 pm to dabigfella
quote:That is your perception. Not everyone "desires" big city life. Do I think athletes get paid by boosters, yes. Do I think it's right, not necessarily.
Every top recruit would want to live in los angeles or miami or any other big town.
I am just fed up with the bad character kids with an 8th grade reading level getting an opportunity for a free education because they are 6'2' 185 lbs and can run a 4.30 40.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:31 pm to Oddibe
go back to using real student athletes.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:34 pm to Oddibe
quote:
It appears that many coaches are willing to take shortcuts and overlook or even condone unethical/illegal actions to maintain or collect their huge payday.
quote:
How many second chances do kids with questionable behavior deserve? I don't know, but they shouldn't get a second chance on the largest stage
Well, how many second chances are we willing to give these coaches?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 12:37 pm to dabigfella
There is so much wrong with this post. Let me give it a shot of breaking down the over generalizations
With a limit of 25 scholarships, they can only take 25 per year. So even if L.A. and Miami get the top 75, there is still lots of talent to go around.
You do realize that the vast majority of players are from the south. In fact, SEC states make up about half of the top 100 players per year. Add in Texas and you're around 70 or more. Some of these kids want to go where they fit in culturally and L.A. or Miami may not fit their desires. Mid to small town colleges just might meet their fancy.
Not every player desires to live the Hollywood lavish life. That is pretty damned ignorant to think such. I guess all the really smart tech kids should say frick Stanford and go to SDSU for the beaches, huh?
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Because without boosters paying kids to go to these schools no big time recruit would ever set foot in baton rouge,tuscaloosa or any other crap towns. Every top recruit would want to live in los angeles or miami or any other big town.
With a limit of 25 scholarships, they can only take 25 per year. So even if L.A. and Miami get the top 75, there is still lots of talent to go around.
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he money, the help for their families is what keeps a piece of junk like tuscaloosa even relevant to these recruits. If I was 18 and all schools were equal and nobody could offer me more, Id be on my way to USC or UCLA for the best 4 years of my life.
You do realize that the vast majority of players are from the south. In fact, SEC states make up about half of the top 100 players per year. Add in Texas and you're around 70 or more. Some of these kids want to go where they fit in culturally and L.A. or Miami may not fit their desires. Mid to small town colleges just might meet their fancy.
quote:You do realize that while you call while you call BR a shithole, a 5* player is born there and loves his home. He embraces the city's imperfections and simple beauties.
Youre incredibly naive if you dont think boosters pay these kids. Hell I remember when I was doing my MBA at LSU. I ran into the basketball team one night at pluckers. Glen Davis had a Magnum with rims. Tasmin Mitchell had an escalade, funny how this top recruit was driving that, and charles scott the running back was with them driving a nice new truck on rims.....yet all these kids are poor right???? Give me a break. I dont care, it doesnt upset me, i hope LSU wins every title imaginable, but reality is nobody is coming to the shitehole that is baton rouge if theyre a big time recruit without incentives. Im sure Ben Simmons just ignored every beautiful city on earth to come to LSU bc of his godfather and that alone.
Not every player desires to live the Hollywood lavish life. That is pretty damned ignorant to think such. I guess all the really smart tech kids should say frick Stanford and go to SDSU for the beaches, huh?
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