re: How is betting on baseball worse than using steroids?

Let them ALL in. These geriatric assholes running the show need to understand that the Steroid Era is a real thing, it happened and they need to stop acting like it didn't exist.

Bonds, McGwire, Clemens etc were hall of fame players before they juiced. Yes, it extended their careers and helped pad stats, but they were in the .01% of ball players before ever juicing. Honestly, we will never know just how many players were using steroids back then but I would wager it's much higher than what the MLB tries to act like.

Hell, McGwire and Sosa brought a shitload of interest back into the game after the strike and they should be thankful for that imo.

hey dummy, betting on your sport and your team implies that you can influence outcomes of games. duh

Steroids users are trying to win.

Pete Rose gambled on baseball games in which he was a manager of the team and contributed to the outcome of games.

Taking steroids might cheapen the game, but what Pete Rose did calls the entire validity of the game into question.

Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

Pete Rose is human scum, does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame and will never be in the Hall of Fame. He agreed to this. Idiots need to stop saying he should be in the Hall. It isn't happening, ever, and his ban is well-deserved.

Okay so he bets on Reds to win on Friday so he does all he can to win burns pitching up and wrecks the series

So what about the other 2 days do we say oh screw it?
So now he's rigged standings, post season play (as the best team may not be there) and other games.

He is a loser he committed a crime, he broke the trust. He deserved the ban and he knew he was wrong.

Isnt the argument he was the acting manager of the reds betting on reds games???? There is the obvious insider knowledge angle, but he was in a position that could effect the outcome of games he was betting on

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The biggest tragedy of them all is Shoeless Joe Jackson.


And Buck Weaver. He hit .324 and never made an error.

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Rule 21
(a) MISCONDUCT IN PLAYING BASEBALL.

Any player or person connected with a club who shall promise or agree to lose, or to attempt to lose, or to fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any baseball game with which he is or may be in any way concerned; or who shall intentionally fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any such baseball game, or who shall solicit or attempt to induce any player or person connected with a club to lose, or attempt to lose, or to fail to give his best efforts towards the winning of any baseball game with which such other player or person is or may be in any way connected; or who, being solicited by any person, shall fail to inform his Major League President and the Commissioner.

There's some really hard reaching to find an equivocation between the two, here.

Betting is the absolute worst thing you can do, as a professional athlete or organizational member. It doesn't matter if you only bet to back your own guys, when you bet on your own team. You are deliberately putting yourself in the firing line of people who can, will, and have long track records of making people do stuff they didn't want to, that can directly affect the competitive balance of the game.

Pete wants to remove a $50K marker that's going to get his leg broke from betting on pro football? Give that guy a spot start and let Jose Rijo take a day off. Hey, Pete, give us the honest truth about Eric Davis' foot sprain-- will he be full speed this week? You could always make him a game time decision, if you know what's good for you, Pete.


Rose did the unforgivable, when it comes to professional sports. You cannot tamper with the belief that it is an honest competition, without outside inducement or threat affecting the performance of all involved.

Not sure how this is even a question. During steroid era, so many people were on them. Pitchers, hitter, etc. You can still tell who the best players of that era are and it wasn't even a rule till very late. They weren't stopping it at all and they knew it was going on.

Betting on bball is a rule. Everyone knew the rule and knew the consequences and the ex commissioner said that Rose bet on his own games even. He was a manager. He could def determine the outcome. Or on other games if a lot riding on it, he could ask a friend to help out. Give up a late run or whatever. He knew it was a rule and thought he was above it.

Baseball has been through this before. 100 years ago, the National and American Leagues were already well-established. But gambling was rampant on a day-to-day basis. Look up a guy...YES IT WAS BEFORE ANYONE HERE WAS BORN...named Hal Chase. He was the most notorious, great player, smooth-fielding first baseman, cheated nearly every inning because of gambling.

1919, the entire World Series was fixed, the result, as many here already know, that 8 members of the Chicago White Sox were banned for life because they received money to tank the Series against the Reds. I'm sorry for the fact that this happened before anyone here was born (repeated intentionally) because to many, it's "OLLLLLLLLLLLD" and thus unimportant. But it's not. The rule and the big signs in ever club house are a direct result of this huge national scandal.

Every single ball player knows about this before they EVER step onto a playing field as a major leaguer. A LOT of people watch professional wrestling to entertain themselves, but NO ONE watches it for the actual competition. I do not believe that people would continue to watch sporting events of any other kind, if they knew that it was all scripted and fixed.

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He was the manager of the team, and he was betting on his own games.

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One thing about Rose is that his story has changed through the years, and each admission makes him look worse.

First he didn't bet on baseball.
Then he admitted to betting on baseball but never on his own team.
Then he admitted to betting on his own team, but always to win and only a few times.
Then he admitted to betting on his team every night.