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Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:58 am to Kracka
quote:He's 25 and is playing just as well as he did 2 seasons ago, not sure that the injury has been THAT destructive.
He is good, really good. But I think since his injury, he's on the backside of his career.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:00 pm to Fun Bunch
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No. You really can't make that argument at all.
Yes, you can easily make an argument.
Top 20 ranks:
Offensive rebounds: KAT #13, AD: N/R
Defensive rebs: KAT #6, AD: N/R
Blocks: KAT : #6, AD: T4th
PER: KAT: 12, AD: 7
TS%: KAT: 16, AD: N/R
eFG%: KAT: 11, AD: N/R
Def Reb Rate: KAT: 9, AD: 16
You guys can either look at this like, "oh he's only 54 games into his career and Greg Monroe is better", or you can call this dude a star.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:24 pm to AlexLSU
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Has there ever been a top tier like this in NBA history where all the guys are in or on the cusp of their prime?
I mean in the mid 90s you had Jordan, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Stockton, Malone, Barkley Etc. That includes 4 of the best 10 centers in league history, the GOAT, arguably the best PG ever, and 2 of the best 3 PFs ever (with Timmy and some could argue Garnett)
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:29 pm to Goldrush25
The young dudes like Towns, Wiggins, KP, D Russell, Winslow are all going to be great.
There are also some guys toiling away that no one talks about like Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Lillard etc who coudld easily be all stars.
There are also some guys toiling away that no one talks about like Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gobert, Lillard etc who coudld easily be all stars.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:30 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Super weak because there are no big men
The role of an NBA big is evolving. You still have your true post-oriented bigs, but this is a perimeter league now. Guys like Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem were cornerstone bigs that led their franchises to multiple titles, but look at the last 10 NBA Finals MVPs
15 Warriors - Iggy
14 Spurs - Leonard
13 Heat - Lebron
12 Heat - Lebron
11 Mavs - Dirk
10 Lakers - Kobe
09 Lakers - Kobe
08 Celtics - Pierce
07 Spurs - Parker
06 Heat - Wade
All perimeter players. You have to go back to 2004 to find the last big to win the NBA MVP. Dirk won in 06, but he's not that traditional back-to-the-basket big.
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In 2006 the top 6 players were
Kobe
Duncan
Wade
Dirk
Lebron
and of course Nash who won MVP + KG Kidd Shaq and Iverson
This is a great collection of talent. Kobe, Duncan, Shaq and Lebron will all be in consideration for top 10 players all time. The others are sure-fire hall of famers.
However, if you look at guys like Lebron, Curry, Durant, Westbrook, AD, etc. now both statistically and from the eyeball test, it's hard to see their careers not following a similarly dominant path. Their collective production and efficiency surpasses what we've previously seen from a top 5 group of players. It's easy to look back at 2006 now and say that was a better collection of top talent, but 10 years from now, I think you can just as easily point to the talent in 2016 in the same way.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:38 pm to Buckeye06
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I mean in the mid 90s you had Jordan, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Stockton, Malone, Barkley Etc. That includes 4 of the best 10 centers in league history, the GOAT, arguably the best PG ever, and 2 of the best 3 PFs ever (with Timmy and some could argue Garnett)
It becomes difficult to compare players from 20 years ago to now because the game is simply played differently. The role of a big man in an NBA offense has changed. Perhaps the game's most dominant post player currently, DeMarcus Cousins, has shot 149 threes this year. AD, KAT, Aldridge, Griffin, etc. all have perimeter moves and can stretch the floor.
It's hard to say that players today are better, but they can impact the game in more ways. I also think there's a nostalgic quality for those guys that fans tend to hold onto. We don't want to proclaim the new guys as better, because we grew up watching other great players. I can easily see Lebron, Curry, Durant and Westbrook ending up with similarly great, if not greater, careers than the majority of the guys you listed.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:51 pm to Toula
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Yes, you can easily make an argument.
23.4ppg
2.5 blk
10.00 rbd
1.9 asst
1.3 steals
17.1 ppg
1.8 blk
10.1 rbd
1.4 asst
.6 steals
AD PER: 25
KAT PER: 23.1
So, no you can't make that argument, unless you're projecting for future seasons. "As good as" means exactly that.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:02 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yeah, which is partially true and sort of an overreaction by Houston fans. Harden is an elite player. He needs specific pieces around him (defensive players, mostly) and a coach that he respects to dog him, but he is elite.
His defense and heart sucks. But he is an elite offensive player.
I agree. The fear is that he will never return to last year's form. When the first thing an athlete does after signing a huge shoe deal and having an elite year is date a Kardashian, it's reasonable to question motivation.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:05 pm to AlexLSU
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It becomes difficult to compare players from 20 years ago to now because the game is simply played differently
Then
quote:
I can easily see Lebron, Curry, Durant and Westbrook ending up with similarly great, if not greater, careers
So how are you comparing players if we can't do it?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:06 pm to AlexLSU
One of the guys you listed doesn't play defense. Kind of important. Just saying.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:10 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
Super weak because there are no big men
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:19 pm to RedRifle
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Towns, Wiggins, KP, D Russell, Winslow are all going to be great.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:20 pm to Solo
One of the guys listed hasn't even won a playoff game. Kind of important. Just saying.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:22 pm to Toula
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You guys can either look at this like, "oh he's only 54 games into his career and Greg Monroe is better", or you can call this dude a star.
I bumped that thread the other day but I guess it's still too early.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:28 pm to RedRifle
quote:
The young dudes like Towns, Wiggins, KP, D Russell, Winslow are all going to be great.
Stanley Johnson > Winslow...pls edit
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:28 pm to AlexLSU
quote:
The role of an NBA big is evolving. You still have your true post-oriented bigs, but this is a perimeter league now. Guys like Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem were cornerstone bigs that led their franchises to multiple titles, but look at the last 10 NBA Finals MVPs
15 Warriors - Iggy
14 Spurs - Leonard
13 Heat - Lebron
12 Heat - Lebron
11 Mavs - Dirk
10 Lakers - Kobe
09 Lakers - Kobe
08 Celtics - Pierce
07 Spurs - Parker
06 Heat - Wade
All perimeter players. You have to go back to 2004 to find the last big to win the NBA MVP. Dirk won in 06, but he's not that traditional back-to-the-basket big.
The NBA didn't evolve it adjusted because damn near every great big prospect busted.
Since 2001 Bynum Bogut Oden Bargnani Curry all showed flashes of brilliance and could never stay healthy. Yao was great but couldn't stay healthy. Kwame Beasley Thomas Okafor and Darko were just flat out bust
Also by 2011 Dirk was far closer to a traditional back to the basket big than a perimeter player
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:33 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Since 2001
quote:
Bynum Bogut Oden Bargnani Curry all showed flashes of brilliance and could never stay healthy. Yao was great but couldn't stay healthy. Kwame Beasley Thomas Okafor and Darko were just flat out bust
Serious question have you watched the NBA since 2001? Hell, since 2010? That is a very shallow list of names there.
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Also by 2011 Dirk was far closer to a traditional back to the basket big than a perimeter player
Ahhh yes those damn traditional back to basket bigs that shot 40% from 3.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:35 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
Since 2001 Bynum Bogut Oden Bargnani Curry all showed flashes of brilliance and could never stay healthy.
Eddie Curry?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:36 pm to PortCityTiger24
Pretty sure that's who he meant.
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