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re: How far away are the Lakers?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 7:47 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Posted on 7/12/16 at 7:47 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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6'9 150lbs
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 7:58 am to TheDarrell McSteal
quote:hes a thin kid. hes not going to add 40lbs of beef playing basketball all day. durant is still lean 10 seasons in.
Weighing 196 currently. He was in the 160's after his senior season of HS. I don't think it's far fetched for Ingram to get up to 220 by his second season.
quote:i never said that...
Anyone arguing the Lakers should've picked Buddy over Ingram has some screws loose lol
Posted on 7/12/16 at 7:59 am to L.A.
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Far, far away
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:10 am to Mutumbo Finger
Two years away from being two years away
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:26 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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hes a thin kid. hes not going to add 40lbs of beef playing basketball all day. durant is still lean 10 seasons in.
You said he weighs 150. He added nearly 30 pounds in between his first day at Duke and the NBA combine. Ingram is probably always going to have a lanky build with his freak wingspan but he should be able to get up to 220-230 no problem.
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i never said that...
I was referring to Verlander
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:26 am to Mutumbo Finger
The Lakers have some solid players for sure. Clarkson and Ingram are the two pieces you absolutely keep moving forward. Eventually, I think the Lakers move Russell. He's got a lot of value, and I think there's still some lingering, negative locker room vibes regarding his video of Swaggy P. I've thought for a while that the Lakers will offer Russell for Boogie Cousins as the two teams have been in talks for a while now. Boogie is gone in two years, so the Kings should try to move him while they can still get an asset in return. With Rondo's exit, they could use a talented young point that can facilitate and score. The Lakers could obviously use a star that can clear the glass AND stretch the floor. Boogie's attitude worries me, but he brings a lot to the table that few bigs offer.
By moving Russell, there's a void left for Westbrook to fill. This wouldn't be a bad starting five if these two moves happened:
PG - Westbrook
SG - Clarkson
SF - Ingram
PF - Randle
C - Boogie
Nance and Deng are both solid bench guys, and I like their second round pick Zubac. They need to find some wing defenders to fill the bench, because Swaggy/Lou Williams aren't helping the team
By moving Russell, there's a void left for Westbrook to fill. This wouldn't be a bad starting five if these two moves happened:
PG - Westbrook
SG - Clarkson
SF - Ingram
PF - Randle
C - Boogie
Nance and Deng are both solid bench guys, and I like their second round pick Zubac. They need to find some wing defenders to fill the bench, because Swaggy/Lou Williams aren't helping the team
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:33 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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isnt he 6'9 150lbs? he doesnt exactly have an NBA bod yet. hes a few years away. a project.
That's like saying Durant was a project because he was markedly underweight when he got to the league. The "project" label is usually reserved for someone with raw talent that can't really play the game yet. That's not how I would describe Ingram.
He's not even 20. He'll add meat to his frame without any problem.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:41 am to VerlanderBEAST
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They have goofed on the #2 pick twice. No one wants to play with Russell and they should have went with Buddy the sure thing over Ingram the project
Do you have Aspergers? Seriously.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:43 am to Mutumbo Finger
Kobe set them back so much.
I do like the Zubac guy though. I think he can be a starting C in the league.
next year will be key in free agency.
I think Ingram is more of a Rashard Lewis than a Kevin Durant
I do like the Zubac guy though. I think he can be a starting C in the league.
next year will be key in free agency.
I think Ingram is more of a Rashard Lewis than a Kevin Durant
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:44 am to Goldrush25
quote:he's not even 19
He's not even 20.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:01 am to Lester Earl
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Kobe set them back so much.
How?
I'd say the CP3 veto + the aftermath of that combined with Howard walking in FA and trading a fricking hoard of picks for Steve Nash is what did the Lakers in.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:18 am to Lester Earl
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Kobe set them back so much.
I mean, if you're going this angle, you should really blame management. Miami just proved that you aren't obligated to give your aging legend a shite ton of money. Kobe was still an elite talent in 2013, and if not for the Achilles pop (which you obviously can't project), he'd still be playing. I don't think people realize that 2013 was probably one of the five best seasons of his career; he was dominant.
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I do like the Zubac guy though. I think he can be a starting C in the league.
Aside from getting dunked on in the Philly game, he's been great in Summer League.
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I think Ingram is more of a Rashard Lewis than a Kevin Durant
Well Durant is a once-in-a-generation talent, so that's fair to say. If the Lakers get Rashard Lewis production out of Ingram, I think they'll be happy. Lewis was a really good player in Seattle and Orlando. Probably averaged around 20/8/3 during that span.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:10 am to AlexLSU
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I mean, if you're going this angle, you should really blame management. Miami just proved that you aren't obligated to give your aging legend a shite ton of money. Kobe was still an elite talent in 2013, and if not for the Achilles pop (which you obviously can't project), he'd still be playing. I don't think people realize that 2013 was probably one of the five best seasons of his career; he was dominant
At his age I don't know of any cases of a player regaining his old form after an Achilles rupture. Certainly you can't give him that much money given the severity of that injury.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:17 am to Goldrush25
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At his age I don't know of any cases of a player regaining his old form after an Achilles rupture. Certainly you can't give him that much money given the severity of that injury.
I get what you're saying but what was the alternative? The Lakers at that point were fricked. The team was filled with dinosaurs and there was zero cap flexibility with or without #24.Might as well give Kobe a nice pre retirement gift and allow him to continue filling up Staples Center while tanking without admitting doing so. I'd say in the end it worked out well when you look at all the young assets the Lakers gathered during those years.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:20 am to Mutumbo Finger
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How far away are the Lakers?
GS & the Cavs....So I'd say the Lakers are miles away.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:25 am to Mutumbo Finger
Quite far.
Point at them and laugh.
Point at them and laugh.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:56 am to TheDarrell McSteal
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I get what you're saying but what was the alternative? The Lakers at that point were fricked. The team was filled with dinosaurs and there was zero cap flexibility with or without #24.Might as well give Kobe a nice pre retirement gift and allow him to continue filling up Staples Center while tanking without admitting doing so. I'd say in the end it worked out well when you look at all the young assets the Lakers gathered during those years.
Exactly. Lakers management has made a number of bad decisions recently, and they are entirely to blame for where the franchise is at. You paid Kobe, he entertained fans, the team tanked, you got a number of solid assets (Clarkson, Randle, Russell, Nance, Ingram) because of how bad the team was, and now you're building for the future. If the alternative was letting Kobe walk, that money wouldn't have gone to some franchise-alterting talent; it would have gone to guys that can't really move the needle. Looking back, they made the right choice. Where they are now was an inevitability.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 2:37 pm to Mutumbo Finger
If they had Westbrook which means minus dome of the names you mentioned the Lakers are still years away from championships and maybe a 7 seed
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:20 pm to TheDarrell McSteal
ingram has the makings of a beast in the NBA
even as good as he is, he's still raw and will get stronger and better.
even as good as he is, he's still raw and will get stronger and better.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:34 pm to AlexLSU
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Exactly. Lakers management has made a number of bad decisions recently, and they are entirely to blame for where the franchise is at. You paid Kobe, he entertained fans, the team tanked, you got a number of solid assets (Clarkson, Randle, Russell, Nance, Ingram) because of how bad the team was, and now you're building for the future. If the alternative was letting Kobe walk, that money wouldn't have gone to some franchise-alterting talent; it would have gone to guys that can't really move the needle. Looking back, they made the right choice. Where they are now was an inevitability.
What's troubling is that they didn't really get here by virtue of foresight. They traded for Dwight and lost him for nothing. They lost Pau for nothing. They tried and didn't get Aldridge. They didn't even get a meeting with Durant. They were trying to tread water this whole time and struck out over and over.
They're in a good spot but not because of intelligent design. It's by happenstance. And they're trying to mess it up. Signings like Mozgov indicate that they still don't get it. 4 year deal makes no sense.
Someone like Riley or West would've let Kobe walk/retire, you offer him half of what he ended up getting. Meanwhile you develop guys like Clarkson, Randle, Russell and Nance without Kobe here to stunt their growth.
With the money you save by not signing Kobe, you sign vets to short-term deals that don't tie you up for long-term. You make sensible signings, look for second tier guys that you can get like Nicolas Batum, Isaiah Thomas (who wanted to be a Laker). Then once you build that base and make the team an attractive landing spot, then go for the big fish.
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