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Historical top QB's
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:09 pm
Searched for a recent discussion but didn't find anything. Saw a First Take debate on top 10 all time QB's and got me thinking. Both Stephen A. and Bayless listed Joe Montana at the top. I don't agree. I think Brady has already passed Montana and he isn't finished.
Also was looking at some of Marino's numbers and was surprised to see his career completion percentage only at 59%. I didn't watch Marino, how good was he?
I also looked at Drew Brees career stats and he has a good chance of finishing in top 3 of a lot of QB stats. Does he make top 10 when he is finished?
What are your thoughts?
Also was looking at some of Marino's numbers and was surprised to see his career completion percentage only at 59%. I didn't watch Marino, how good was he?
I also looked at Drew Brees career stats and he has a good chance of finishing in top 3 of a lot of QB stats. Does he make top 10 when he is finished?
What are your thoughts?
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:11 pm to aib799
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First Take
Stopped reading here
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:12 pm to aib799
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What are your thoughts?
The game is so catered to QBs now that doing a statistical comparison across eras is not really reliable.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:14 pm to aib799
Unitas, Marino, and Manning are the three best quarterbacks that have ever played.
The "team accomplishments as a Quarterback stat" meme has gotten out of hand, IMO.
Any metric that has Brad Johnson ahead of Dan Marino should be worth less than zero as an actual measure of quality.
The "team accomplishments as a Quarterback stat" meme has gotten out of hand, IMO.
Any metric that has Brad Johnson ahead of Dan Marino should be worth less than zero as an actual measure of quality.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:15 pm to Stagg8
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The game is so catered to QBs now that doing a statistical comparison across eras is not really reliable.
Ya, I'll post Marino's stats and you'll think the guy was mediocre
The game really has changed a lot.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:15 pm to aib799
Comparing players across eras when the game has changed to the extent that it has will always benefit the modern era qb.
If some of those older guys had the advantages that today's passers do, they would light it up as well.
If some of those older guys had the advantages that today's passers do, they would light it up as well.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:17 pm to aib799
Dan was the best.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:19 pm to Volmanac
I only briefly watched Montana, he is always listed near the top. I know his 4 SB carry a lot of weight and he was clutch but was he top 5 good?
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:20 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Got an example: 3,000 yards used to be the threshold of a great QB season.
Last year 22 QBs threw for 3,000 or more yards
In 2002, 17 did.
In 1990, 10 did.
It gets more pronounced at the 4,000 yard mark:
In 1990, one guy threw for over 4,000 yards (around this era, you will find some years with more, but not more than 3 guys in one year)
11 did it last year.
Last year 22 QBs threw for 3,000 or more yards
In 2002, 17 did.
In 1990, 10 did.
It gets more pronounced at the 4,000 yard mark:
In 1990, one guy threw for over 4,000 yards (around this era, you will find some years with more, but not more than 3 guys in one year)
11 did it last year.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:21 pm to aib799
Posting a thread relating to First Take that doesn't involve the sentence "look how unintelligent and lowest common denominator First Take is," should be a bannable offense
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:30 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
At least 5000 still means something.
In all of NFL history only Drew Brees has done it more than once.
In all of NFL history only Drew Brees has done it more than once.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:31 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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At least 5000 still means something.
In all of NFL history only Drew Brees has done it more than once.
Makes Dan Marino's in 1984 look insane.
24 years for someone to reach it again. Has happened 6 more times since Drew
Of course, Drew is 3 of those.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:34 pm to SoFla Tideroller
So, Dan Marino vs. Drew Brees, you are taking Marino. Based on what?
Brees led a franchise that had only won 1 playoff game in its existence to a super bowl win against what some will eventually consider the all time greatest QB. He did this what 3 or 4 years after Katrina? I think that should carry a lot of weight. Brees (and Peyton) were able to change a culture in NO that would have never had success.
I know Marino's stats would have been a lot better playing in this era but I don't think you can just ignore Brees stats.
Brees led a franchise that had only won 1 playoff game in its existence to a super bowl win against what some will eventually consider the all time greatest QB. He did this what 3 or 4 years after Katrina? I think that should carry a lot of weight. Brees (and Peyton) were able to change a culture in NO that would have never had success.
I know Marino's stats would have been a lot better playing in this era but I don't think you can just ignore Brees stats.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:43 pm to aib799
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He did this what 3 or 4 years after Katrina?
What does this have to do with anything?
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:44 pm to aib799
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:50 pm to Stagg8
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The game is so catered to QBs now that doing a statistical comparison across eras is not really reliable.
This times a billion. You have to judge every QB against his peers and his era. Comparisons which end up making you think Joe Flacco and Dan Marino are comparable are not reasonable to make.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:52 pm to goldenbadger08
Well done!!!!!!!!
Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:08 pm to aib799
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. I didn't watch Marino, how good was he?
I would have Montana, Brady, and Manning ahead of him. Then either Elway or Marino. Never saw Unitas.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:33 pm to TigerintheNO
I think it goes for the "modern era" 82-Present:
Montana
Elway
Marino
Brady
Manning
Brees
When you add the semi modern era 65-82 you probably need to add Staubach, Bradshaw, and Tarkenton on that list. People hammer Bradshaw, but he called his own plays and when needed he used his arm to break opponents. His deep ball was amazing.
I'm biased about Staubach, but his skill set would have just destroyed the new NFL, plus he lost time by serving his full commitment.
Montana
Elway
Marino
Brady
Manning
Brees
When you add the semi modern era 65-82 you probably need to add Staubach, Bradshaw, and Tarkenton on that list. People hammer Bradshaw, but he called his own plays and when needed he used his arm to break opponents. His deep ball was amazing.
I'm biased about Staubach, but his skill set would have just destroyed the new NFL, plus he lost time by serving his full commitment.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:35 pm to aib799
Rodgers isn't bad. Best all time I don't know but the eye test doesn't lie.
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