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High School Pitching Duel
Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:33 pm
I searched, but couldn't find anything. Was there a recent high school baseball game where the two pitchers combined for 18 innings and over 500 pitches? One pitcher is bound for Tulane and the other LSU.
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Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:35 pm to mametoo
Lol. Two guys combined for 500 pitches? Yeah ok.
Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:36 pm to reddman
Thread on this board
ETA: it was over 300 pitches. not 500. One had 190+ and the other 150+
ETA: it was over 300 pitches. not 500. One had 190+ and the other 150+
This post was edited on 4/17/12 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:38 pm to mametoo
Interedasting. Tell me MOAR.
Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:39 pm to quail man
Not 500, but still abuse. The coaches deserve a beating. Let me guess, "he said he felt good and wanted to keep pitching".
Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:45 pm to mametoo
baically, yes
Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:47 pm to mametoo
Even Dusty Baker thinks that is too much
Posted on 4/17/12 at 9:47 pm to mametoo
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where the two pitchers combined for 18 innings and over 500 pitches
By next week this will be 25 innings and 1000 pitches.
Posted on 4/17/12 at 10:23 pm to mametoo
This shite is ridiculous. Both kids have commited to play D1 ball and they think this game was more important. Coaches need to be reprimanded
Posted on 4/17/12 at 10:27 pm to mametoo
I want to see an actual scientific study of how many pitches is too many.
The 100 bullshite is exactly that, bullshite. Guys back in the 20s, 30s etc. etc. etc. never had pitch counts and they lasted years and years.
I'm not saying young kids should be throwing that many, but speaking to the subject in general.
The 100 bullshite is exactly that, bullshite. Guys back in the 20s, 30s etc. etc. etc. never had pitch counts and they lasted years and years.
I'm not saying young kids should be throwing that many, but speaking to the subject in general.
Posted on 4/17/12 at 10:57 pm to OBUDan
I'd like to see a study too. Seems I read something about arm problems being due to not taking any time off. In the 20s and 30s there was an actual off season. Now kids are starting to throw curve balls and sliders year round at at very young age and there is no recovery time. I believe Tim Hudson was quoted saying his arm felt great after his TJ surgery and a big part of that was just the amount of rest his arm got. But who knows...
Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:44 am to snake23
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This shite is ridiculous. Both kids have commited to play D1 ball and they think this game was more important.
more important than any game tulane has played recently
Posted on 4/18/12 at 5:52 am to TN Bhoy
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By next week this will be 25 innings and 1000 pitches.
In fairness, the article said that there were over 500 pitches in the game but the starters combined for 340.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 6:26 am to Bho
Well, it's the lead story on Tommy Tucker's morning radio show on WWL. I'm anxious to see the over reaction and fall out from this.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 7:59 am to OBUDan
The below is from Dr. James Andrews' group. He is the top expert we have in the field:
"Multivariate analysis identified the most significant risk factors for high school and college pitcher injury and need for surgery as: an increased risk of 500% for pitching greater than 8 months per year, 400% for pitching greater than 80 pitches per game, and over 250% for a fastball greater than 85 mph. When regularly pitching despite arm fatigue, the risk for injury requiring surgery increased 3600%. This one factor - fatigue - had the strongest correlation with subsequent arm surgery."
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"Multivariate analysis identified the most significant risk factors for high school and college pitcher injury and need for surgery as: an increased risk of 500% for pitching greater than 8 months per year, 400% for pitching greater than 80 pitches per game, and over 250% for a fastball greater than 85 mph. When regularly pitching despite arm fatigue, the risk for injury requiring surgery increased 3600%. This one factor - fatigue - had the strongest correlation with subsequent arm surgery."
LINK
This post was edited on 4/18/12 at 8:04 am
Posted on 4/18/12 at 8:23 am to tigerskin
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tigerskin
Boom?
Posted on 4/18/12 at 8:29 am to OBUDan
I would say a lot of factors go into a pitcher's pitch count. I.E. genetics, pitcher specific training, recovery time, type of pitches, velocity, etc. I know when ZVR pitched for Zachary, he had a higher pitch count than all of the other pitchers. He would almost never be sore after a complete game, his genetics were above average, his velocity was 88-90 mph, and the coaches work the pitchers on a different training program than the other position players.
I watched the kid for Franklinton in the '08 ZHS-FHS playoff game pitch for the third time in about a week and by the 4th-5th inning the kid had to walk around the mound with the ball, stall, and collect himself to throw another pitch. The rumored pitch count was 300 for the 3 playoff games.
Lots of factors go into a "pitch count".
I watched the kid for Franklinton in the '08 ZHS-FHS playoff game pitch for the third time in about a week and by the 4th-5th inning the kid had to walk around the mound with the ball, stall, and collect himself to throw another pitch. The rumored pitch count was 300 for the 3 playoff games.
Lots of factors go into a "pitch count".
Posted on 4/18/12 at 8:31 am to Cuz413
If memory serves me correctly, both Barbe and Dutchtown had pitchers pitch complete games on Friday and pitch again Saturday evening.
Posted on 4/18/12 at 8:35 am to mametoo
You didn't search very hard. The story even made yahoo.
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