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re: Great read on why paying college athletes would NOT be doomsday
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:01 am to USAF Hart
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:01 am to USAF Hart
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The only sport(s) I could see this even being a remote possibility is baseball/basketball.
There is no way that the best HS football player could go straight from HS to the Pros and not get quite literally killed.
lol Adrian Peterson a guy who's college peak was as a true freshman couldn't have played in the NFL?
Devin Hester the greatest return man in the history of NFL couldn't have returned kicks in the NFL out of HS? He was a natural from day one.
Orlando Pace, Charles Woodson, Herschel Walker, Randy Moss etc
Heck guys like Lavar Arrington who was washed up by 26 would of benefited hugely from going straight to the league. He was clearly a much better player 19 years old than he was at 28. Not everybody is going to peak at the same age
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 9:03 am
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:04 am to VerlanderBEAST
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lol Adrian Peterson a guy who's college peak was as a true freshman couldn't have played in the NFL?
he is one of the few possible exceptions
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Devin Hester couldn't have played in the NFL out of HS?
no...just no.
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Heck guys like Lavar Arrington who was washed up by 26 would of benefited hugely from going straight to the league. He was clearly a much better player 19 years old than he was at 28.
i'm pretty sure lavar arrington was a RB coming out of HS, so no, i don't think he'd have benefited
he's an example of a guy who benefited from going to college and having college coaches find/develop him at a more realistic position. the NFL ain't got time for that
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 9:05 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm pretty sure lavar arrington was a RB coming out of HS, so no, i don't think he'd have benefited
he's an example of a guy who benefited from going to college and having college coaches find/develop him at a more realistic position. the NFL ain't got time for that
He played both ways like all HS stars. Whatever coaching he got at Penn State he could of gotten in the NFL and probable faster. At worst he'll play a year of special teams before starring as a LBer. The point is he was more physically mature as a freshman at Penn State than most rookie NFL LBers and there was no danger of him being killed
Please tell me all the things Hester did in his 3 years at Miami that made him the best returner in the history of football as rookie? Hester is simply a natural, nothing in college made him more prepared to play in the NFL.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 9:20 am
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:This is one of my least favorite cliches on this subject. It's simply avoiding the reality of the situation regarding who is signing these contracts.
and players willingly sign away their rights to their image while in college. nobody put a gun to their head
It's the multi-billion dollar NCAA preying on the 18 year old inner city athlete.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:26 am to shel311
i didn't know they were coerced into playing college football...
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:31 am to shel311
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This is one of my least favorite cliches on this subject. It's simply avoiding the reality of the situation regarding who is signing these contracts.
who, exactly, is signing them?
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It's the multi-billion dollar NCAA preying on the 18 year old inner city athlete.
preying? the "18 year old inner city athlete" gains no benefits from the arrangement?
in fact, if the NCAA does break up into a super league, the one demo who will be severely affected is the "18 year old inner city athlete", because there will be fewer scholarships to go around (especially at the mid-major level, as they will struggle to survive without free riding off the producers
this is simply an exchange among private entities wherein both parties are pursuing their own self interest and both receive a benefit. this comes at a cost to both, as with all contracts. contracts are a risk-reward, and disrupting legal contracts for some sort of social justice just increases the transactional costs for all persons engaging in contracts in that arena. that hurts everyone
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:32 am to chalmetteowl
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i didn't know they were coerced into playing college football...
you must remember
all of these athletes only have one choice in life: to play (insert sport). they have no other choices as to how they wish to live
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The difference is only one of those 2 entities have already reaped the guaranteed benefits.
you don't think that johnny football has benefited from his 2 years at TAMU?
If he were to get hurt and possibly never play in the NFL, he's never going to get the value he brought to the university just last year, let alone a couple more years.
quote:Well to be fair, if CFB magically vanished, I have a feeling this mythical minor league football system would be a rather huge deal, so he wouldn't be toiling away there.
you think if he was toiling away in a minor league system, being years away from the nation knowing who he is, he'd be better off?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As I said...
you must remember
all of these athletes only have one choice in life: to play (insert sport). they have no other choices as to how they wish to live
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It's simply avoiding the reality of the situation regarding who is signing these contracts
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
How about smaller schools. How does southern make it Where does it stop. Do high school athletes get a cut of the gate or mech. When you have schools like w Monroe or big schools in Texas bringing in money due to these athletes.
Paying the athletes may be great for the guys at these bcs schools. But it will kill athletics at smaller schools.
Paying the athletes may be great for the guys at these bcs schools. But it will kill athletics at smaller schools.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:47 am to VerlanderBEAST
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College athletes already get paid
Not their market value.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:49 am to bayoubengal03
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Not their market value.
They should be able to get their market value by going pro, not in college.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:50 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:Why?
They should be able to get their market value by going pro, not in college
College sports is only a multi-billion dollar industry.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:51 am to shel311
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The difference is only one of those 2 entities have already reaped the guaranteed benefits.
and?
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If he were to get hurt and possibly never play in the NFL, he's never going to get the value he brought to the university just last year, let alone a couple more years.
that's part of the risk of signing that contract
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Well to be fair, if CFB magically vanished, I have a feeling this mythical minor league football system would be a rather huge deal, so he wouldn't be toiling away there.
this is possible, or it could be the CFL or another NFLE
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:52 am to bayoubengal03
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Not their market value.
which market is there for the players to get paid this "market value"?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:52 am to VerlanderBEAST
If college athletics didn’t function like a professional market……I would agree with you
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:54 am to shel311
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College sports is only a multi-billion dollar industry.
and it spends multi-billion dollars. these schools are non-profit and cannot make profits (i think there is a threshold level they're allowed to store away for things like capital improvements, etc). most athletic departments (1) lose money and (2) are leeches on the general fund of their cash-strapped university
where are these schools going to get money to pay players?
Bama, LSU, Texas, Ohio State, and the biggest of the big could theoretically do it, but ULL, Southern, McNeese, Texas State, Akron, Ohio U, UAB, Alabama State, etc lose money as is. where is this magical revenue they could generate to afford to pay players?
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:54 am to shel311
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Why?
College sports is only a multi-billion dollar industry.
Because professional athletes get compensated with $ and student athletes get compensated with scholarships
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:That's the difference, a rather huge difference.
and?
quote:See my 2 posts above on that subject.
that's part of the risk of signing that contract
quote:How are these remotely comparable? The CFL and NFLE are for players who basically aren't good enough for the NFL, and a select few may make it with enough reps. The mythical minor leagues of football would house basically all of the NFL's future stars. It would replace CFB, obviously lose some of the luster and tradition, but people would be infinitely more interested in that than NFLE or CFL.
this is possible, or it could be the CFL or another NFLE
Posted on 7/26/13 at 9:59 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:It's not 1960 any more, big time college athletics is a business.
Because professional athletes get compensated with $ and student athletes get compensated with scholarships
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