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re: Good ways to end "Hack-a-Shaq"...
Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:18 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:18 pm to Lester Earl
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I have a problem if they change the rule, but should they change it, that is not a terrible option.
Fair enough. I can live with that.
I was pretty resolute about leaving things in place as recently as last year, but for whatever reason, I never thought of or heard anyone suggest the option to decline FTs. Once I heard that solution, I was sold. The beauty is in the simplicity. None of this bullshite about 3 FTs or let anyone take them or any of the other crap that has been proposed.
You get fouled off the ball, outside of 2 minutes, you get to either shoot FTs or keep the ball. Can't get much better than that.
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Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:25 pm to slackster
I agree with the choice to decline free throws. It isn't as simple as "get better at free throws" to me. There are multiple ways to be an excellent basketball player. One way is to be a great shooter, another way is to be a physical force. I think it ks a huge loophole that a team can actually commit a foul and be rewarded because they do so against a physical player. I mean what if instead of free throws you fouled someone and they had to do a windmill dunk? Deandre would like that but I'm sure Tony fricking Parker wouldn't. I do think it is a loophole that has a very simple fix that will not alter the game very much at all
Deandre would like that but I'm sure Tony fricking Parker wouldn't. I do think it is a loophole that has a very simple fix that will not alter the game very much at allThis post was edited on 4/25/15 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:28 pm to slackster
quote:Exactly. It's such a simple and perfect fix.
I was pretty resolute about leaving things in place as recently as last year, but for whatever reason, I never thought of or heard anyone suggest the option to decline FTs. Once I heard that solution, I was sold. The beauty is in the simplicity. None of this bull shite about 3 FTs or let anyone take them or any of the other crap that has been proposed. You get fouled off the ball, outside of 2 minutes, you get to either shoot FTs or keep the ball. Can't get much better than that.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:34 pm to PrimeTime Money
Players who can make their FTs don't get fouled as much. It is that simple.
This post was edited on 4/25/15 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:36 pm to AlaTiger
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Players who can make their FTs don't get fouled as much. It is that simple
wut
Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:37 pm to brgfather129
I was responding to someone who said something along the lines of "would you rather see Curry attempt the game tying 3, or go to the line for two free throws and have the game end?". Out of all the ideas I've heard to fix the hack-a-______ this one is probably the best, but I just think people should be able to make their free throws and they shouldn't be able to hide the weakness in their game.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:42 pm to Dawgsontop34
My B...thought you meant Team A was up by X, Team B was trying to extend the game by putting Team A on the line...that Team A would be able to decline the FTs.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 1:59 pm to Sevendust912
quote:the other team committed a foul, the Clippers should be rewarded.
The problem is that the Clippers are getting rewarded because one of their players can't do his job effectively
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:03 pm to shel311
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the other team committed a foul, the Clippers should be rewarded.
They do get rewarded for being able to shoot free throws, but they should not be rewarded with a rule change to mask a deficiency of their team.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:05 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:the team up 3 gets 1 shot and the ball with current rules, I don't think they'd want to do that
So let's say a team is down 3 at the end of the game, and is fouling to try and get the ball back. Does the team that got fouled have the option to decline FTs then?
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Seems like a pretty simple way to get rid of intentionally fouling bad free throw shooters.
I hate the hack a shaq as much as anyone but are we really going to change the rules of the game to players who can't hit a fundamental shot?
Its a big of threat to the integrity of the game as hack a shaq, if not more.
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Its not changing the landscape of the game... the game was never meant to be like this. It's a loophole.
Its not a loophole if players hit the free throws. The game was supposed to make it easier when a player is fouled and goes to the line, hence the free shot from relatively short distance.
This post was edited on 4/25/15 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:08 pm to Sevendust912
quote:neither should the team fouling, thy shouldn't be rewarded for not being to get a stop on defense. That's the opposite logic the other side keeps throwing out.
They do get rewarded for being able to shoot free throws, but they should not be rewarded with a rule change to mask a deficiency of their team.
Reward th team with the choice, it's the best option for the game as a whole.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:08 pm to PrimeTime Money
Let's protect the players who can't make the simplest shot in basketball. Awesome
If the NBA wants to do something to make the game more entertaining, start giving out game suspensions for flagrant flopping
If the NBA wants to do something to make the game more entertaining, start giving out game suspensions for flagrant flopping
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:10 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:No, we're changing the rules because teams are resorting to intentional fouling over and over and over and over again in a row instead of playing basketball.
I hate the hack a shaq as much as anyone but are we really going to change the rules of the game to players who can't hit a fundamental shot?
This rule would take the hack-a-Shaq out of the game without having ANY effect on how the game is played.
It simply takes the incentive away. It's a perfect rule change.
Teams can still foul the ball handler at the end of games to stop the clock and send that player to the free throw line. That won't change.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:12 pm to shel311
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it's the best option for the game as a whole.
"This guy sucks at something, and the other team takes advantage of his weakness. Lets change the rule so that his weakness will not exposed anymore."
I don't agree with that line of thought. Either get better at an important part of your job, or live with the consequences (lose games, ride the pine, etc) SHOULD be the correct action here.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:12 pm to SPEEDY
quote:they not protecting the player, they're protecting the game and entertainment factor.
Let's protect the players who can't make the simplest shot in basketball. Awesome
This post was edited on 4/25/15 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:14 pm to Sevendust912
quote:It has nothing to do with any of this and everything to do with avoiding 2 teams employing this strategy while millions of people are watching some big, important playoff game.
This guy sucks at something, and the other team takes advantage of his weakness. Lets change the rule so that his weakness will not exposed anymore."
I don't agree with that line of thought. Either get better at an important part of your job, or live with the consequences (lose games, ride the pine, etc) SHOULD be the correct action here.
I'm almost certain this rule will eventually happen and it's for none of the reasons you mentioned, it's to keep the game entertaining.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:16 pm to shel311
If they are worried about entertainment, they need to start ejecting guys for flopping. That's a bigger issue than hack a whoever.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:19 pm to shel311
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entertainment factor
Like I said before, if the NBA cares about the entertainment factor, they would make a serious attempt to address flopping. Until they do so, I dont want to hear anything about their concerns for the "entertainment factor" of their games. Nothing worse than seeing a player react like he was just shot in the face with a shotgun when he was never even touched
Flopping is a strategy used by a team to get an advantage. So is Hack-a-Shaq. Drawing a fake foul is worse than intentionally fouling a bad free throw shooter IMO
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:20 pm to Sevendust912
quote:Nobody is saying bad free throw shooters should not have to shoot free throws. If a guy is a bad free throw shooter, teams can strategize around this by not letting them get an easy bucket when they go to shoot.
"This guy sucks at something, and the other team takes advantage of his weakness. Lets change the rule so that his weakness will not exposed anymore."
They have to shoot free throws like anybody else if they get legitimately fouled during the course of the game.
However, this rule simply eradicates the off-ball intentional foul. It has no reason to be allowed in the game.
This post was edited on 4/25/15 at 2:21 pm
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