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FoxSports: After another NBA Finals loss, LeBron James can never surpass MJ as the GOAT
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:15 am
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:15 am
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The 2017 NBA Finals are over — officially — and so is the discussion about LeBron James' standing relative to Michael Jordan.
You can believe LeBron is a better all-around basketball player than MJ, as I do. You can believe he's one of the greatest ever, despite just barely avoiding a second career sweep in the NBA Finals.
You can believe a great many things, but believe this most of all: LeBron James will never surpass Michael Jordan as the greatest basketball player in NBA history — not after this slaughter at the hands of the Golden State Warriors.
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:20 am to Phat Phil
Individual greatness has nothing to do with team success
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:26 am to Phat Phil
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You can believe LeBron is a better all-around basketball player than MJ, as I do.
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LeBron James will never surpass Michael Jordan as the greatest basketball player in NBA history — not after this slaughter at the hands of the Golden State Warriors.
This means individual greatness has more to do with the team than the individual. Not sure I agree with that.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:27 am to Raghavan
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Individual greatness has nothing to do with team success
Wrong
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:34 am to Crowknowsbest
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This means individual greatness has more to do with the team than the individual. Not sure I agree with that.
Yeah because it doesn't fit your views. Tom Brady, MJ, Duncan, and Kobe, all left legacies of leading their teams to championships. They don't achieve their status without team successes.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 7:35 am
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:35 am to Raghavan
You're right. Let's just rate everyone by PER and call it a day. Who cares about results?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:37 am to jangalang
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Yeah because it doesn't fit your views. Tom Brady, MJ, Duncan, and Kobe, all left legacies of leading their teams to championships. They don't get their status without their team successes.
Did they lead their team, or did they just find themselves in the right circumstances?
Is Tom Brady thought of the same way if he gets drafted by the Bills instead of the Patriots? What happens to MJ if Scottie Pippen is drafted by the Clippers at #4 instead of Reggie Williams?
ETA: I'm not dismissing any of them or not giving them credit. Their teams don't do it without them. I just think you have to look at the whole picture, both individual success and team accomplishments.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 7:39 am
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:38 am to Bunk Moreland
If championships are all that matter then Bill Russell > MJ
Terry Bradshaw > Peyton Manning
Bumgarner > Kershaw
Terry Bradshaw > Peyton Manning
Bumgarner > Kershaw
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:47 am to Crowknowsbest
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I just think you have to look at the whole picture, both individual success and team accomplishments.
I agree with this. I don't not agree with
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Individual greatness has nothing to do with team success
If you want individual greatness with no team success. Go be a Blake Griffin fan.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:48 am to jangalang
Mike Trout is the best player in MLB and the Angels stink
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:50 am to jangalang
Championships are tiebreakers. Please stop using names like Bradshaw, Horry, etc. Also, why does everyone always dog on Russell?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:51 am to jangalang
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I agree with this. I don't not agree with
Certainly team success matters. I'm just not going to ding a guy for losing the Finals while averaging a triple double with 35 points.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:52 am to jprice4608
Bradshaw and Russell are both HOFers so they were individually great and had championships so they win the tie breaker according to your criteria.
Lebron legacy William NEVER be as good as MJ's but he is the better player between the two. Same way Peyton > Brady despite the rings differential
Lebron legacy William NEVER be as good as MJ's but he is the better player between the two. Same way Peyton > Brady despite the rings differential
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:54 am to Raghavan
Apples to oranges. The NBA is different. Trout gets about 4 at bats per game. He can't just take over the game if he wants to.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 7:56 am
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:57 am to Undertow
That is correct but basketball is still a team sport. It's not Lebrons fault that his bench played awful and his team had a horrible plus minus when he wasn't on the court
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:00 am to Crowknowsbest
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I'm just not going to ding a guy for losing the Finals while averaging a triple double with 35 points.
33 points. Not asking you to. Just saying it doesn't help his case when another player was individually just as great but had more team success. Vice Versa if Lebron did lead his team to success after being down 3-1 again, it would hard to argue that he didn't didn't pass MJ.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:02 am to jangalang
Do you think MJ would have beat the warriors if he was on this Cavs team instead of Bron?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:05 am to Raghavan
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Do you think MJ would have beat the warriors if he was on this Cavs team instead of Bron?
Probably not. Still doesn't alter my opinion that racking up another finals loss isn't helping Lebron's case in the MJ/ Lebron debate.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:16 am to Raghavan
quote:They aren't all that matters, but they sure to carry alot of weight in the equation.
If championships are all that matter then Bill Russell > MJ
Terry Bradshaw > Peyton Manning
Bumgarner > Kershaw
Posted on 6/13/17 at 9:37 am to Raghavan
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Individual greatness has nothing to do with team success
Basketball is not an individual sport. Team success is the only thing that matters.
If he wants individual recognition he should have been a golfer or a boxer or some shite.
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