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Fangraphs: Rob Manfred and the Dangers of Unintended Consequences

Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:17 pm
Posted by JoseDeLeon
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:17 pm
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But if MLB keeps persisting with rule changes that won’t materially make the game better, they will end up with these consequences. Lindsey Adler touched on this Friday in her piece about shifts at Deadspin. Extreme infield shifts such as the “Ted Williams Shift” have been a hot topic in recent years, but there are myriadtypes of shift in the game. In The Hardball Times Baseball Annual 2015, Jeff Zimmerman detailed the statistics on many of these shifts. In 2013 and 2014 teams employed “traditional” shifts — infielders up onto or near the grass, players crashing for bunts and the outfield “no doubles” alignment — 13,358 times in 9,722 games. Is that as high as the more radical shifts we’re seeing now? No. Is it going to be very difficult to legislate one type of shift but not all the others? Absolutely. These are the types of shifts that have been taught to every baseball player for generations. In my opinion, baseball is complicated enough already.


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. Instead, the goal should be marketing its best and brightest with the full force of their billion-dollar marketing machine. It’s time to stop blaming the rules. It’s time to stop blaming millenials. NBC tried this over the weekend regarding their Olympics TV ratings decline, only to have others note that Canadian broadcaster CBC saw a ratings uptick. The product matters, but the presentation and marketing of that product matter just as much. The bottom line is this: no rule change that MLB makes is going to lower the time of game or pace of game to a significant enough degree that the game is ever fast paced enough to compete with today’s other product offerings.


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We need to hear more about what’s awesome about baseball. Mike Trout is possibly the best baseball player in the last 50, 60, 70 years. Market him! Giancarlo Stanton has some of the most ridiculous power the game has ever seen. Market him! Make sure these guys are on every TV screen in America every night of the week. MLB has hinted at pursuing a more player-centric marketing strategy in the recent past, with their #THIS campaign. Consider this example: Even this video, however, represents less an attempt to celebrate certain players — identifiable here only by the names on their jerseys — and more to build on the lore of the game. MLB needs to make sure that players like Trout, Stanton, Kris Bryant, Mookie Betts, Jose Altuve, Bryce Harper, Clayton Kershaw, Jose Fernandez,Masahiro Tanaka, Kenley Jansen and more are known by every person in America, not just every baseball fan. It can happen. A month ago, I had never heard of Katie Ledecky, Simone Biles or Kyle Snyder. By emphasizing both the talents and stories of those athletes
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:20 pm to
Baseball is fine. I am hoping it never changes. But I would be ok with DH in National League.
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:20 pm to
I still haven't heard a legitimate explanation about why players don't bunt more when teams try the shift against them.
Posted by JoseDeLeon
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:22 pm to
Me too. As entertaining as watching Bartolo Colon hit is, I would rather see another powerful bat in the lineup and a chance at more offense
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:22 pm to

What the frick is this formatting

Have you heard of paragraphs?
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:24 pm to
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I still haven't heard a legitimate explanation about why players don't bunt more when teams try the shift against them.


Because 9/10 teams would be fine with letting Rizzo or Papi take first base compared to them hitting a double or a HR. Yeah, the guy gets on base, but Rizzo or Papi bunting for a single every time essentially makes them less productive.
Posted by texastiger38
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:31 pm to
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Because 9/10 teams would be fine with letting Rizzo or Papi take first base compared to them hitting a double or a HR.


To be fair, an infield shift isn't exactly stopping a 2B or HR.

I think it'd be wise for the lesser players to do it, if they are extreme ground ball hitters.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:33 pm to
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To be fair, an infield shift isn't exactly stopping a 2B or HR.


Oh I know, but if they bunted every single time to get teams to stop shifting then it is stopping a 2B or a HR.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:34 pm to
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But I would be ok with DH in National League.

frick. That
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:34 pm to
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Baseball is fine. I am hoping it never changes. But I would be ok with DH in National League.
I actually like the replay system and I like the idea of a pitch clock. I know it won't make the game necessarily shorter, but the pitch clock can help with the flow of the game.

I'm torn about the DH. If the NL had the DH, I probably would not have had to see this:



But instead, a lot more of this:



And it would mean more offense and more jobs in the game. But at the same time, I like the National League and the pitcher hitting. The easy answer for me is that baseball should really make sure young players can hit and pitch. Why the hell can't a pitcher hit a baseball? Maybe it's the same reason why a kicker can't block Luke Kuechly.

Baseball needs to market it's stars.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:35 pm to
Also needs to be pointed out that manfried was talking about batting averages in the year that batting averages across the board are up
Posted by Ghost of Colby
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:58 pm to
How will eliminating shifts make the game shorter? By theory, teams will shift to increase the odds the batter records an out. That would shorten the game.
Posted by JoseDeLeon
Member since Aug 2016
25 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:32 pm to
More offense = longer games but I think most people would rather sit for 3 hours and 20 minutes to watch a 7-6 game than 3 hours for a 2-1 game.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:54 pm to
Call the strike the way it's supposed to be (I.e. The high fastball for a strike). More strikeouts shorten the game. But, also, more high "mistakes" get crushed for extra bases and home runs. Win/win.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:58 pm to
Baseball is a regional sport. It's not like football or basketball. That is what makes it great.
Posted by BCMCubs
Colorado
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:02 pm to


How have I never seen this?!?
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 2:04 pm
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:04 pm to
I have no idea, man. But I saw it like the night it happened. And I laughcried for a few hours.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3886 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:07 pm to
The last thing baseball needs is more strikeouts.

That's not to say the strikezone should be this or that, but batters are already striking out way too often. We are up over 16 per game for the first time in history.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted by StickD
Houston
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:44 pm to
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But I would be ok with DH in National League.


:triggered:

Posted by WG_Dawg
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Member since Jun 2004
86429 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 2:50 pm to
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Baseball is fine. I am hoping it never changes


First thing baseball needs to do is quit making a frickin exhibition practice game (that is voted on by fans at that!) determine home field advantage in the world series. I still struggle to wrap my head around how that was ever green lit.

And get rid of the damn DH. Wouldn't make any sense to have different rules for the NFC and AFC.
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