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Errors/passed balls in baseball vs. dropped passes that end up as an INT in fbal
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:15 am
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:15 am
It's all subjective.
Why does a quarterback get charged for an INT when his receiver had it in his hands and dropped it and then it gets picked off?
But a pitcher in baseball doesn't get charged a "hit" if one of his fielders screws up and/or the pitcher doesn't get charged a wild pitch if his catcher screws up?
Why does a quarterback get charged for an INT when his receiver had it in his hands and dropped it and then it gets picked off?
But a pitcher in baseball doesn't get charged a "hit" if one of his fielders screws up and/or the pitcher doesn't get charged a wild pitch if his catcher screws up?
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:18 am to jac1280
Because we don't need to create a new stat just for that.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:24 am to jac1280
Harder to tell who screwed up in football.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:41 am to jac1280
You make a good point but yeah, not practical
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:53 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:LeBatard had some dude with a Scottish accent on the other day, no clue what site he was from. It was like a PFF guy, maybe even actually from PFF.
Harder to tell who screwed up in football.
Some of the stuff is so enlightening, he was talking a lot about QB play. One of the things was how many yards a QB lost due to drop passes. I think it was Tannehill and Cam last season lost out and 700 and 800 yards on drops, and that's not even counting the YAC that would have been accumulated. He also went on to talk about how Tannehill is looking really good this season but you'd never know looking at the raw stats.
With football, so often we assign blame to a QB or whoever, when we really just don't know who actually screwed up.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:55 am to jac1280
Football is a grunt sport sport so who cares.
How dare you bring baseball down to that level to make a comparison
How dare you bring baseball down to that level to make a comparison
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:44 pm to shel311
I'm gonna be honest, I suck at talent evaluation of tannehill has looked "really good" this year.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:47 pm to shel311
quote:799 of those yards were from Ted Ginn
Cam last season lost out and 700 and 800 yards on drops,
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:48 pm to lsupride87
He was definitely top 5 in drops in the NFL last year
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:52 pm to jac1280
quote:
Why does a quarterback get charged for an INT when his receiver had it in his hands and dropped it and then it gets picked off? But a pitcher in baseball doesn't get charged a "hit" if one of his fielders screws up and/or the pitcher doesn't get charged a wild pitch if his catcher screws up?
Um... because it is two completely different sports...
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:54 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
quote:I can't totally disagree with you, though I don't watch much Dolphins football, and don't see them much on the Red Zone Channel either
I'm gonna be honest, I suck at talent evaluation of tannehill has looked "really good" this year.
That being said, this dude factors in the oline which is terrible. The WRs who are also pretty terrible as an entire unit. He's watching every Tannehill dropback multiple times and from better angles than we have access to. His main takeaways were basically, WR drops, Oline play where usually 1 rusher may come in quickly and the QB can sidesteph him but with Tannehill it's 2-3 guys coming at him immediately and he has no chance, then on top of the oline play the WRs are getting no separation so he's forced to make throws because at some point you can't just keep throwing the ball away all game, you gotta try to make a play.
And I guess he factors those things into when an INT is thrown as well when giving a grade. An INT on 2nd and 1 at the opponent's 15 yardline when you miss a wide open WR is going to count more against a QB than an INT on 3rd and 13 at the 50 yardline when 3 rushers are on the QB immediately and he tries to throw a ball into tight coverage to make a play to get that 1st down.
It was good insight.
The guy he interviewed is Cian Fahey from PreSnapReads.com
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:55 pm to castorinho
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He was definitely top 5 in drops in the NFL last year
In all seriousness, [link=(he really was)]https://www.profootballfocus.com/worst-hands-in-nfl-this-season/[/link].\
College Football Film Room has some advanced metrics that help tell the tale a little in this regard, but they don't have "x" yards in drops charted.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:35 pm to shel311
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700 and 800 yards
I'm sure they're double dipping those stats. Like if a QB had a 40 yard drop, but then completed a 30 yard pass the next play. He gets credit for those yards on his completion, obviously, and this stat gives him credit for the drop. It's a double dip, which is fine as long as you(not you, specifically) realize it's not as simple as just adding those extra dropped yards onto their existing completed yards.
Now, if this stat factors in what I mentioned above, and these dudes still lost that many yards, then damn---that's a lot of yards.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:43 pm to Hot Carl
quote:Yea, definitely. But I think just having that round number is even better than just the number of drops to get an idea of how inept the WRs were, even if that 2 yard pass was dropped but the team went on to score a TD on that same drive.
I'm sure they're double dipping those stats. Like if a QB had a 40 yard drop, but then completed a 30 yard pass the next play. He gets credit for those yards on his completion, obviously, and this stat gives him credit for the drop. It's a double dip, which is fine as long as you(not you, specifically) realize it's not as simple as just adding those extra dropped yards onto their existing completed yards.
quote:He didn't say, but I'm 99% certain it's not factored in.
Now, if this stat factors in what I mentioned above, and these dudes still lost that many yards, then damn---that's a lot of yards
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:44 pm to shel311
Yeah no way that's factored in, because it would get tricky real quick.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:46 pm to castorinho
quote:Plus, you'd also be adding luck and things the QB may have no control over back into the equation, which is exactly what you're trying to avoid.
Yeah no way that's factored in, because it would get tricky real quick.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:50 pm to shel311
How much analytics is there in the NFL currently? Very prominent, or still kind of lacking?
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