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Does the G5 need to separate from the P5?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:32 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:32 am
In other words, have the Group 5 break off into their own division basically.
This way the P5 is left in their own division, and the G5 can finally compete for a championship. I say this because the likelihood of a G5 team ever making it into the playoffs and winning would take something even crazier than 2007. W. Michigan is 12-0 and isn't even in the discussion.
This could be taken further by having the P5 focus on scheduling each other with no more G5 or FCS opponents. If people want better games, better schedules, and less controversy with regard to the postseason, I think this is a potentially good route.
This way the P5 is left in their own division, and the G5 can finally compete for a championship. I say this because the likelihood of a G5 team ever making it into the playoffs and winning would take something even crazier than 2007. W. Michigan is 12-0 and isn't even in the discussion.
This could be taken further by having the P5 focus on scheduling each other with no more G5 or FCS opponents. If people want better games, better schedules, and less controversy with regard to the postseason, I think this is a potentially good route.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 3:34 am
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:37 am to Kodar
I think the inevitable 8 team playoff will guarantee A G5 team will make the playoff most years. Boise/Houston would have been in for sure... WMU this year and UCF and the like I don't know.
The P5 teams really don't want those small teams in their playoff though. Nothing but risk in losing, no credit for a win.
The P5 teams really don't want those small teams in their playoff though. Nothing but risk in losing, no credit for a win.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:41 am to SprintFun
quote:I could see a team like Boise or Houston making it in, but would they realistically have the horses to hang with the P5? Maybe, seeing as how weirder things have happened.
I think the inevitable 8 team playoff will guarantee A G5 team will make the playoff most years. Boise/Houston would have been in for sure... WMU this year and UCF and the like I don't know.
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The P5 teams really don't want those small teams in their playoff though. Nothing but risk in losing, no credit for a win.
Definitely true as far as I can tell.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:44 am to Kodar
quote:the argument has always been that they can get up for one game but don't have the depth to bring it every week. An 8 team playoff means 3 games, so it would test that theory.
I could see a team like Boise or Houston making it in, but would they realistically have the horses to hang with the P5? Maybe, seeing as how weirder things have happened.
They'd probably run into issues scheduling P5 teams as well. Really they need a signature P5 win to get in the discussion.. P5 teams may just start boxing them out.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:57 am to SprintFun
quote:the ones who can hang in P5 conferences are already a part of P5 conferences now...
They'd probably run into issues scheduling P5 teams as well. Really they need a signature P5 win to get in the discussion.. P5 teams may just start boxing them out.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:35 am to Kodar
P5 = Power 5 conferences
What does G5 stand for? Grundle 5 conferences?
What does G5 stand for? Grundle 5 conferences?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:15 am to Jimbeaux
G5 cannot separate because the rely on the money games at P5 schools to balance the budget. Likewise the P5 schools like to buy home games in order to make more money and there is a huge financial impact that home games have on the local community. It's a symbiotic relationship that none of us fans like but exists out of necessity.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:21 am to Kodar
No, G5 really doesn't gain much from that.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:02 am to SprintFun
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The P5 teams really don't want those small teams in their playoff though. Nothing but risk in losing, no credit for a win.
Or an easy win?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:08 am to Kodar
You do realize that many of these schools were in division 2 just 10 years ago and made the step up. There is less money to be made in a lessor division. They get to play in bowls and get more national exposure for their school in Division 1. Western Michigan is not under the allusion that they are national championship quality.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:11 am to Jimbeaux
I think it means Group of 5
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:12 am to Kodar
No.
I'm sure W Michigan will enjoy the Cotton Bowl a lot more than playing for some "Championship."
Any team that wants to join FCS is free to do so and play for a championship.
I'm sure W Michigan will enjoy the Cotton Bowl a lot more than playing for some "Championship."
Any team that wants to join FCS is free to do so and play for a championship.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:15 am to chalmetteowl
quote:
the ones who can hang in P5 conferences are already a part of P5 conferences now...
That's ridiculous, unless you are counting only the 25 or so real power programs.
Otherwise, the idea that teams in P5 leagues are by definition "power programs" is a joke.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 11:17 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:45 am to Kodar
This is how high school football works in La.
And private school people hate it
So I'll allow it
And private school people hate it
So I'll allow it
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:52 am to Gullah Gullah Island
quote:Correct.
I think it means Group of 5
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:55 am to SoDakHawk
quote:This is going to sound like the a-hole thing to say, but why should the P5 schools care? I doubt they would go broke separated from the P5 anyway.
G5 cannot separate because the rely on the money games at P5 schools to balance the budget.
One of the reasons I wanted to start this thread is we often see complaints about schedule strength, or terrible games in general. However, I haven't really seen many solutions proposed with regard to that.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:55 am to Kodar
It's not impossible. WMU just didn't have the schedule this year and, frankly, isn't good enough.
A Boise team that wins a strong MWC and, for argument's sake, beats USC and UW OOC would be in the discussion in a year like this.
ETA: hell even this year's Houston team with its schedule, had it gone undefeated, would be in the discussion.
A Boise team that wins a strong MWC and, for argument's sake, beats USC and UW OOC would be in the discussion in a year like this.
ETA: hell even this year's Houston team with its schedule, had it gone undefeated, would be in the discussion.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:56 am to D011ahbi11
quote:They gain a more competitive division and a legitimate chance to win a championship. I would say that's a solid deal for them. Otherwise, their ceiling is a NY6 bowl barring a miracle year.
No, G5 really doesn't gain much from that.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:59 am to Milk
quote:I'm aware there is less money in a lesser division. However, it's not like they would go broke in a division to themselves. I'm even okay with allowing them in bowl games for crossover with the P5 if they separated seeing as how bowls are just glorified exhibition matches.
You do realize that many of these schools were in division 2 just 10 years ago and made the step up. There is less money to be made in a lessor division. They get to play in bowls and get more national exposure for their school in Division 1. Western Michigan is not under the allusion that they are national championship quality.
While W. Michigan doesn't likely think they can play for a title, that isn't the point. The point is they aren't even in the discussion.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:01 pm to Broseph Barksdale
quote:While true that a team like Boise would be in the discussion, would they make it in? Even this season, let's say for discussion sake that Houston was undefeated. Do you think they even get in?
It's not impossible. WMU just didn't have the schedule this year and, frankly, isn't good enough.
A Boise team that wins a strong MWC and, for argument's sake, beats USC and UW OOC would be in the discussion in a year like this.
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