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re: Dodgers or Cardinals, who is the team to beat in the NL

Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:09 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:09 pm to
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what you think might happen in the current months
not just me. And I don't know how you can look at the Giants upcoming august and think that it wouldn't be surprising if they win the division. It was a 4.5 game lead like two weeks ago, it was only a .5 game lead before the weekend, now it's 2.5. This shite fluctuates and the Giants are about to go into a really rough month. It's much more likely the Giants lose two games on the Dodgers than gain two over the next two weeks
This post was edited on 8/2/15 at 8:12 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:14 pm to
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And I don't know how you can look at the Giants upcoming august and think that it wouldn't be surprising if they win the division.


The Giants don't play a single playoff team in September not counting head to head with LAD (CO, AZ, SD, CIN, AZ, SD, OAK).

While the Dodgers is fairly easy too, they at least have 3 with LAA and 3 with Pittsburgh.

Evens out pretty nicely by seasons end.
This post was edited on 8/2/15 at 8:16 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:16 pm to
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Evens out pretty nicely by seasons end.
not really, our September is no where near their august. Grant actually went over it yesterday

The Giants had a super easy July which got them back into the race, they are about to go into a really rough august which will probably push them back again. Our September really isn't too bad so if we are going into september with a 5 game or more lead, I wouldn't worry
This post was edited on 8/2/15 at 8:19 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:19 pm to
MLB does a pretty good job with scheduling, currently the Giants have the 29th SOS and the Dodgers 25, come seasons end with the remaining 2 months they'll be extremely even.

Giants have an easier September which matters more than August. I trust the Giants experience and coaching staff against a weaker September schedule than I do LAD against a slightly tougher month.

I don't think many around baseball would be surprised if SF won the West.
Posted by LL012697
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:21 pm to
This discussion should be about the Giants vs. Cardinals
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:21 pm to
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I don't think many around baseball would be surprised if SF won the West
if this where the case, we'd see the projections even out
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:22 pm to
Ebbs and flows of an MLB season, mate

shite the Phillies just went on a 9-1 run. There are really no bad teams in the NL. Every series is hard fought

Vegas says LAD is the best team in the NL. But there is work to be done
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:24 pm to
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if this where the case, we'd see the projections even out



What does that matter? Dodgers are paper champions every year. Matters zero.
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:39 pm to
Dodgers were better last year, and the Cardinals still beat them in the playoffs. Cardinals are better this year, Cardinals will beat them in the playoffs again this year. Cardinals have been money in the postseason for a while. I don't trust the Dodgers or Kershaw in the postseason at all. Cardinals are definitely the better team now, and will be the better team in the playoffs.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:39 pm to
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Ebbs and flows of an MLB season, mate
my point exactly. The Giants were like 4.5 games back and then hit a really easy July. Now they are about to enter a very rough august. It's more likely that that the Giants will be 5 games back by September than over taking the lead
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:40 pm to
It means as much as the Giants being 2.5 games back at a random point in the season right before they enter a brutal part of their schedule
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:43 pm to
Sure, but they still have an easier final month of the season. And I don't see the Giants being out of striking distance heading into that month regardless of how tough their August is.

And with so many head to heads left, that will inevitably determine the Division champ, much like the 9 remaining games between the Cards-Pirates, granted 5.5 is a lot different than 2.5.
Posted by The Seaward
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:45 pm to
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. I don't trust the Dodgers or Kershaw in the postseason at all.


There is no one in the game I would trust more in a postseason start more than Kershaw because he is the best pitcher alive. I'll put faith in that more than overreacting to a small playoff sample.
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:53 pm to
I need to see to believe man. Kershaw is my favorite pitcher in the league, but for now, Kershaw is a HUGE HUGE failure in the playoffs. 1-5 in the playoffs with a 5.12 ERA is pretty pathetic.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:57 pm to
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Kershaw is a HUGE HUGE failure in the playoffs
jesus. I'm not even going to get into his starts when he was 20 because he was 20. In 2013, he had three straight normal Kershaw starts in games 1 and 4 against the Braves and in game 2 against the cardinals. Last year, if Hanley ramirez got half an inch off higher off the ground in game 4, we aren't even having this discussion
Posted by The Seaward
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 9:01 pm to
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I need to see to believe man. Kershaw is my favorite pitcher in the league, but for now, Kershaw is a HUGE HUGE failure in the playoffs. 1-5 in the playoffs with a 5.12 ERA is pretty pathetic.


It's still a pretty tiny sample and it is almost all driven by a flukishly low strand rate and high HR/FB%.
Posted by The Seaward
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 9:03 pm to
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Last year, if Hanley ramirez got half an inch off higher off the ground in game 4, we aren't even having this discussion


And game 1 was only because he was left in too long (which it's hard to fault Mattingly for considering the bullpen outside of Kenley was very shaky)

In the playoffs last year, he had 13.5 K/9 and 1.42 BB/9. That's dominant. 30% LOB and 25% HR/FB were both ridiculous and sunk him. But in 12 innings anything can happen.
This post was edited on 8/2/15 at 9:05 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 9:06 pm to
Precicesly
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 9:08 pm to
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I'm not even going to get into his starts when he was 20 because he was 20


Yeah because age makes any difference. He's made the playoffs 4 times, and all of them except for 2013 he was pretty bad. I know he's Clayton fricking Kershaw, the best pitcher in the game, and he could easily have a fantastic postseason and win a World Series ring, because he really is the best pitcher. But right now, his stats in the playoffs prove otherwise. Quit trying to defend this because you're not correct in this argument.
This post was edited on 8/2/15 at 9:09 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 9:09 pm to
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Yeah because age makes a huge difference.
uhhh how wouldn't it? He wasnt nearly as good as he is now. He only had two pitches then, his curve and a fastball. Not only are both better now, he also has a slider

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Quit trying to defend this because you're not correct in this argument.
This post was edited on 8/2/15 at 9:10 pm
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