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Do we have to continue the charade that Chris Sale is the best AL pitcher?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:51 pm
Kluber is better across the board. Lower ERA WHIP more wins more complete games more shut outs. To think that some on this board wanted Sale for MVP 
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:55 pm to Adam Banks
They are both great. And Sale is easily a legit MVP candidate.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:55 pm to The Seaward
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They are both great. And Sale is easily a legit MVP candidate.
Shouldnt even win the Cy Young.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:57 pm to Adam Banks
They have been about equally dominant on a per inning basis, so I'll take Sale's extra twenty innings of dominance.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:58 pm to The Seaward
It's pretty ridiculous to act like Sale hasn't been nails
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:59 pm to The Seaward
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They have been about equally dominant on a per inning basis, so I'll take Sale's extra twenty innings of dominance.
5 games the Indians didnt need another pitcher compared to 1 for Sale.
Kluber allows less runs, less walks, less hits. But muh strikeouts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:03 pm to Adam Banks
I believe we have had this argument before and it was pretty futile, so I'll just say we obviously don't evaluate pitchers value in the same way and leave it at that.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:04 pm to The Seaward
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I believe we have had this argument before and it was pretty futile, so I'll just say we obviously don't evaluate pitchers value in the same way and leave it at that.
Literally the only metric Sale leads in is strikeouts which is the basis for fangraphs failure of a WAR metric.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:06 pm to Adam Banks
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Literally the only metric Sale leads in is strikeouts which is the basis for fangraphs failure of a WAR metric.
That's a huge oversimplification of fWAR and Sale leads in B-Ref WAR as well.
ETA: Apparently Kluber is over him in B-Ref WAR, but Sale leads in Fangraphs alternate WAR that is based on runs allowed instead of FIP.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:09 pm to The Seaward
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Sale leads in B-Ref WAR as well.
Sale comes in 5th in baseball refrence's WAR almost a solid point worse
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That's a huge oversimplification of fWAR
When one guy leads in literally every meaningful metric yet comes in second with some arbitrary valuation of a stat that has next to zero effect on generation of runs which is what wins and loses games then its a failed stat.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:10 pm to Adam Banks
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Sale comes in 5th in baseball refrence's WAR almost a solid point worse
Yeah, I corrected that. That version of WAR also has Gio Gonzalez as the second most valuable pitcher in baseball.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:13 pm to The Seaward
I don't think the 'extra 20 innings of dominance' carries as much weight anymore. This streak thing may not have much, if any, effect on October baseball. But it provides great moments that will stick in the head of a voter. A complete game for 20 in a row is just another notch to a great season.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:20 pm to Adam Banks
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When one guy leads in literally every meaningful metric yet comes in second with some arbitrary valuation of a stat that has next to zero effect on generation of runs which is what wins and loses games then its a failed stat.
You act like Kluber is blowing Sale away in these categories. Also, Sale has thrown 20 more innings, that is valuable. Sale also plays in a tougher division and in more of a hitter's park.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:23 pm to The Seaward
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. And Sale is easily a legit MVP candidate.
cause of WAR?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:24 pm to Lester Earl
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cause of WAR?
because he has been one of the best and most valuable players in baseball. which is being captured in WAR.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:38 pm to The Seaward
so because of WAR
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:44 pm to Lester Earl
When you lead fWAR by a full win, I do think that does pretty much by default make you an MVP candidate. That isn't the only reason I think he is a candidate though. And I'm not even saying he should definitely win it, but the idea that he is a laughable choice is crazy to me.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:48 pm to The Seaward
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When you lead fWAR by a full win,
Fake statistic.
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the idea that he is a laughable choice is crazy to me.
A pitcher who isnt even the best pitcher in his league is a laughable choice for MVP
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:51 pm to Adam Banks
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Fake statistic.
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A pitcher who isnt even the best pitcher in his league is a laughable choice
I knew I should have quit when I said I would earlier.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:53 pm to The Seaward
The fact that you disregard the guy who gives up less runs, less baserunners, and goes further in games tells me how little you know about baseball.
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