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Dinardo says stricter scholarship rules hinder Big10 vs. SEC

Posted on 2/8/09 at 6:58 am
Posted by PapaChief
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 6:58 am
Article from Columbus, Ohio paper....dated Jan. 3rd. ...so could be Germans According to Dinardo
This post was edited on 2/8/09 at 6:59 am
Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:00 am to
The SEC should be ashamed at some of the student athletes that they allow into thier institutions.
Posted by PapaChief
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:06 am to
Since I posted it. let me be the first to attack it. This article is a year old....sorry bout that. But it does bring up the debate on recruiting. THe Big Ten boards are full of posts downing the SEC's "over recruiting" and low Academic standards, so even though the story is a year old, the debate is even hotter today. They seem really shocked that Ole Miss can sign 36 players while their rules keep them from signing no more than 3 over their replacement number. Sounds like they have the problem, and I say I hope they keep their silly rules.
Posted by Buckeye06
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:13 am to
How do they have the problem then?

You can only have schollies for like 22 per class. So how is Ole Miss bringing in 37 this year and 31 last year? To get down to 22 or even 28, you have to cut a 3rd of those guys you bring in.

Obviously it's the kid's choice in the end; he can go to a school where his scholly may be pulled; it just irks me when people talk about how great the SEC classes are in comparison to everyone else. How many of the 4 and 5 star recruits are not going to qualify in the SEC? I'm more curious than bashing about that
Posted by MStreetTiger
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:22 am to
Maybe because I've lived in Dallas for 22 years, but the Big XII seems to be the worst in this area.
Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:25 am to
quote:

irks me when people talk about how great the SEC classes are in comparison to everyone else. How many of the 4 and 5 star recruits are not going to qualify in the SEC? I'm more curious than bashing about that


Agreed. The big ten does a good job, over all, educating the student athlete. The SEC - not so much. People seem to forget the true reason a institution is here in the 1st place.
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:30 am to
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Agreed. The big ten does a good job, over all, educating the student athlete. The SEC - not so much. People seem to forget the true reason a institution is here in the 1st place.




Can't beat us on the field so you attack academics.
Posted by MStreetTiger
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:35 am to
Thrown in for discussion (GSR is % of football players who earn a 4 year degree within a 6 year window):

2008 NCAA Graduation Success Rate for BCS Football Programs

1. Notre Dame 94%
2. Stanford 93
T3. BC 92
T3. Duke 92
T3. Northwestern 92
6. Vanderbilt 91
7. Wake Forest 83
8. Texas Tech 79
T9. Baylor 78
T9. Nebraska 78
T9. UNC 78
T9. Penn State 78
T13. UConn 77
T13. Indiana 77
T15. Colorado 75
T15. Iowa 75
T15. Syracuse 75
T15. Virginia Tech 75
19. Cincinnati 73
T20. Illinois 70
T20. Michigan 70
T20. Miami 70
T20. Rutgers 70
24. Florida State 69
T25. Clemson 68
T25. Florida 68
T25. Maryland 68
T25. Wash State 68
.........................................
T29. Kansas State 67
T29. Pitt 67
31. Virginia 66
T32. South Carolina 65
T32. Washington 65
T34. Oregon State 64
T34. Ole Miss 63
T34. Miss State 63
T34. Purdue 63
T34. West Virginia 63
T34. Wisconsin 63
T40. Okla State 62
T40. UCLA 62
42. Arizona State 60
T43. N.C. State 59
T43. Missouri 59
45. Louisville 58
46. Auburn 57
T47. Kentucky 56
T47. Texas A&M 56
T47. South Florida 56
T50. Alabama 55
T50. Iowa State 55
T52. LSU 54
T52. Tennessee 54
T52. USC 54
T55. Cal 53
T55. Oregon 53
T55. Kansas 53
58. Ohio State 52
T58. Arkansas 52
T60. Minnesota 51
T60. Michigan State 51
62. Texas 50
T63. Georgia 48
T63. Georgia Tech 48
65. Oklahoma 46
66. Arizona 41


The average GSR scores of the six BCS conferences:

1. ACC........72.3
2. Big East...67.4
3. Big Ten....66
4. Big 12.....63.2
5. Pac-10.....61.3
6. SEC.........60.5



Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:35 am to
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Can't beat us on the field so you attack academics.


Typical response. No doubt the sucess of the SEC on the field speaks for itself. I just think the SEC, as a whole, does a poor job of its number one responsibilty (which is to educate young men and women).
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:36 am to
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Typical response. No doubt the sucess of the SEC on the field speaks for itself. I just think the SEC, as a whole, does a poor job of its number one responsibilty (which is to educate young men and women).


You're right.... that 5.5% difference between the SEC and Big 10 is just horrendous
This post was edited on 2/8/09 at 7:38 am
Posted by Buckeye06
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:37 am to
6 of the top 25 from the Big X....that even surprises me
Posted by MStreetTiger
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:39 am to
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6 of the top 25 from the Big X....that even surprises me


3 of the bottom 10 though.

Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:39 am to
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6 of the top 25 from the Big X....that even surprises me


But where is the Big 10's top program on that list... Oh look, behind the SEC's top programs.
Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:43 am to
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You're right.... that 5.5% difference between the SEC and Big 10 is just horrendous


You can spin it anyway you would like. You, as a fan, would demand a coach fired if he was losing every game by 5.5 percentage points. I do not understand why you are not upset that they are losing in the classroom - which is why they are on campus in the first place.

In fact I think the SEC is the wrost conference in all of D-1 football at educating its players. I will have to do some research and provide a link.
This post was edited on 2/8/09 at 7:45 am
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:53 am to
Well I believe that the SEC also puts the most players in the NFL. I will then assume that means the SEC has more players that leave school early for the NFL, which naturally would lower graduation rates a bit.

The conference can not control a players decision to leave school to go get an NFL paycheck.
This post was edited on 2/8/09 at 7:54 am
Posted by Buckeye06
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:58 am to
you're right; I forgot that UGA is not a top program in the SEC

I still want my explanation on why Ole Miss can take 37, 31, and 22 in their last 3 classes? 90 players in 3 years; that's already above the maximum. Did they not take a 2006 class?
Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 7:58 am to
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Well I believe that the SEC also puts the most players in the NFL.


Try again ..
Posted by MStreetTiger
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 8:03 am to
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Try again ..


Try again ..

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The Southeastern Conference had 263 players on the 2007 National Football League opening day active rosters, which led all conferences.

The Atlantic Coast Conference was second with 238 players, followed by the Big Ten with 234 players, Pac-10 with 183 players, Big 12 with 176 players and the Big East with 84 players.

Among SEC schools, Georgia was first with 37 former players on NFL rosters, followed by Tennessee with 36, LSU with 33, Florida with 31 and Auburn with 30. Alabama had 21 players on NFL rosters, while South Carolina had 19, Ole Miss and Mississippi State had 17 each, Arkansas had 12, Kentucky six and Vanderbilt with five.

The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters. No other conference had two.

Nationally, Miami (Fla.) leads with 46 former players on NFL rosters, followed by Ohio State with 44, Florida State with 41, Tennessee with 36 and Georgia with 35.


LINK

ETA: I should add that I don't think that has that great an impact on GSRs of individual schools. Some impact, yes.
This post was edited on 2/8/09 at 8:08 am
Posted by bayou2003
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 8:28 am to
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The SEC should be ashamed at some of the student athletes that they allow into thier institutions.


Funny how a lot of Big Ten schools recruit the SAME athletes SEC schools recruit. But they choose to stay in the south. Cowherd even spoke on that why the Big 12 South, SEC, and USC, Miami, FSU, etc get good athletes it's because of the weather and location of schools. Good athletes don't really want to go up north and play in 12 degree weather in Late October and November.
Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 2/8/09 at 8:46 am to
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The Southeastern Conference had 263 players on the 2007 National Football League opening day active rosters, which led all conferences.


The GSR was a SIX YEAR time frame. Not just a point in time. I think that the PAC Ten had more players in the NFL from 2002-2008 than any other conference.
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