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re: DAT 5/26: Going after #30 Tonight
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:21 pm to Jwho77
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:21 pm to Jwho77
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But this team can win now. And I personally like Hamels and his contract compared to what we'll end up spending in FA this winter for a TOR.
I'm worried we will have to completely gut the system for Hamels. The Phillies have been asking for prospects rated higher than any of ours sans Correa so far, guys like Swihart, Betts, etc. If we can get him for a reasonable price prospects wise I would be fine with it, i agree his contract really isn't bad. I would be pretty surprised if McCullers stays though if we made a deal like that.
After you get away from Hamels, Cueto level none of them are going to be perfect. Kazmir has certainly had his own struggles at times with performance and injuries though I like him the best out of the non elite options
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:22 pm
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:25 pm to Prominentwon
As far as trading away prospects: after the next couple of weeks we should have a better idea of what positions we may be more flexible at when it comes to dealing. We'll be getting a whole new crop of prospects in very shortly.
If the Stros choose a couple of pitchers that they are high on in the first few rounds of this draft, it might make trading away some of the pitchers currently in our system that much easier. Who knows?
But we all know that we need to make a move to lengthen the rotation at some point. If it looks like we might be contending the entire year, hopefully it's done by the July trade deadline. But if that is the case, then you can expect to give up an arm and a leg because asking prices on SPs will be through the roof. A potential trading partner will identify the Stros as a team looking to make a move to win right now this very season and will raise their asking price to the maximum to cash in on the immediate need. But if by midseason it looks like we have fallen flat on our asses and come back down to Earth like many "experts" predict, then maybe it's better to wait until after the season to either sign a free agent without losing prospects or to make a trade during the winter when expected return value for an SP will likely be lower than during mid season negotiations.
If the Stros choose a couple of pitchers that they are high on in the first few rounds of this draft, it might make trading away some of the pitchers currently in our system that much easier. Who knows?
But we all know that we need to make a move to lengthen the rotation at some point. If it looks like we might be contending the entire year, hopefully it's done by the July trade deadline. But if that is the case, then you can expect to give up an arm and a leg because asking prices on SPs will be through the roof. A potential trading partner will identify the Stros as a team looking to make a move to win right now this very season and will raise their asking price to the maximum to cash in on the immediate need. But if by midseason it looks like we have fallen flat on our asses and come back down to Earth like many "experts" predict, then maybe it's better to wait until after the season to either sign a free agent without losing prospects or to make a trade during the winter when expected return value for an SP will likely be lower than during mid season negotiations.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:26 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
If we trade 4 top prospects for Hamels, that is not gutting the system at all. We have two top 5 picks coming in June.
I think Santana ends up back to Philly as part of any deal, and I am very good with that. If Appel is another, I again would not lose sleep. It's Velasquez and Feliz that I am not excited about letting go.
I think Santana ends up back to Philly as part of any deal, and I am very good with that. If Appel is another, I again would not lose sleep. It's Velasquez and Feliz that I am not excited about letting go.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:30 pm to Jwho77
What if it's McCullers/Tucker and Velasquez?
They asked the Dodgers for Joc Pederson and Urias and the Red Sox for Swihart and Betts
maybe they will back off it but they don't exactly have a well run front office and there's a reason he's still on the Phillies when he should have been dealt at the deadline last year. I just don't think they're gonna take Appel, Santana and Brett Phillips or something like that with what has come out about their trade talks with other teams. Hamels can also veto a trade IIRC.
Not trying to be a wet blanket though, just think it's more realistic we end up with one of those next level of guys, which I hope is Kazmir
They asked the Dodgers for Joc Pederson and Urias and the Red Sox for Swihart and Betts
maybe they will back off it but they don't exactly have a well run front office and there's a reason he's still on the Phillies when he should have been dealt at the deadline last year. I just don't think they're gonna take Appel, Santana and Brett Phillips or something like that with what has come out about their trade talks with other teams. Hamels can also veto a trade IIRC. Not trying to be a wet blanket though, just think it's more realistic we end up with one of those next level of guys, which I hope is Kazmir
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:31 pm to Jwho77
I don't want us to trade to many prospects because it can frick us in the long run. The only reason why I wouldnt want us to trade a guy like appel is there is no way we get anything back that is close to what we have up. We basically lost over a hundred games to get him. We already traded Ruiz and Folty for gattis and even though Ruiz isn't doing good I think Folty can be a solid starter. We don't want to get into a situation to where we HAVE to land big free agents in order to keep our team on top or have another tank in 5 years. The only top prospects I would be willing to deal is Santana and hader. I like hader but he will get smashed in the pros unless he gets better at hiding the ball in his delivery. Walker for the mariners is having the same problem.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:32 pm to Tigerfan_95
I admit I'm only going by stats but Appel has shown nothing to look like he'll even a back end arm. The scary thing is, he's almost 24.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:34 pm to CQQ
Yeah I've resigned we will never get out of Appel what we gave up (losing). If he can be a package for an arm that can help us contend then pull the trigger. Would much rather hang on to McCullers, Velasquez and Feliz
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:35 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I just don't think they're gonna take Appel, Santana and Brett Phillips or something like that with what has come out about their trade talks with other teams.
Eventually they are going to have to take a deal. They are asking too much right now and gambling that someone gets desperate. Their GM is on thin ice, so he needs to get a good haul soon, but he is not getting any team to cough up the farm.
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What if it's McCullers/Tucker and Velasquez?
I don't buy that they are going to trade current Major Leaguers unless it's Carter or Gattis due to Singleton. Tucker is now a key part of the big club puzzle. McCullers should also be off the table. Now they just might like Marisnick because they crave a speedy centerfielder. I like me some Jake, but we have Rasmus (for now) and Springer if the right deal is presented.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:37 pm to CQQ
I agree completely. He is a great guy so it sucks to see him struggle but what can we get for him? Keeping in mind at one point he was your future TOR starter and had some of the best stuff in the entire draft? I think I would let it play out and if he doesn't work out than oh well but if he gets his shite together and becomes a 4 or 5 starter than so much the better.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:37 pm to CQQ
Id much rather give up a few prospects for Hamels than to get a guy like Kazmir, then next offseason he leaves and we have to sign a Zimmerman or someone like that, who's attached to draft pick compensation so we lose our #1 next year. We have a good farm, I think 2 top prospects and 2 mid to uppers is what it will take.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:38 pm to Jwho77
I could see Marisnick being somebody discussed since you could slide Rasmus over and Tucker would get everyday ABs. I do like Marisnicks potential though and would hate to see him go
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:40 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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They asked the Dodgers for Joc Pederson and Urias
Bold move
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:40 pm to Jwho77
Tucker gets traded before LMJ. Hate to break it to yall, but I see tucker being a part of any deal for a pitcher.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:40 pm to Tigerfan_95
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I don't want us to trade to many prospects because it can frick us in the long run.
Possibly. But where it has gutted us in the past is when we traded for guys like Randy Johnson and Carlos Beltran at the deadline and they took off during the offseason. I'm more open to trading prospects for a guy like Hamels who is under contract for 4 more years than for the 1/2 year rental guys who are free to leave immediately after the season.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:42 pm to Ruxin
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Tucker gets traded before LMJ. Hate to break it to yall, but I see tucker being a part of any deal for a pitcher.
But seriously, I would not trade him for the current available arms (and their contracts), including Hamels. I think Tucker is a beast.Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:42 pm to TTownTiger
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1/2 year rental guys who are free to leave immediately after the season.
Plus we don't get draft pick compensation when they leave. frick that. We've been burnt too many times on those rentals.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:42 pm to Ruxin
I don't know, man. He's one of the only guys on the ML roster who hits the ball with any consistency. He was also drafted by JL so he won't part with him very easily.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:44 pm to TTownTiger
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Carlos Beltran at the deadline
That was an awesome trade
I'll never forget being on pins and needles wondering if he was going to re-sign. That swing was (still can be) so beautiful.
I remember being blown away by him getting $119MM. Now Rick fricking Porcello makes more than that.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:45 pm to Ruxin
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Tucker gets traded before LMJ
Wouldn't be surprised if a trade involved both. LMJ was widely viewed as our 4th or 5th best SP prospect before the callup and Tucker was borderline top 10 overall prospect in the organization (actually think he fell outside the top 10 more often than not). If the Astros own rankings of our prospects is anything like some of those other "expert" rankings, then they might value other players in our system more than LMJ and Tucker.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:46 pm to CQQ
I wish Santana could get a call to showcase. His call last year is completely different than if he got a call last year. Last year nobody was hitting so he was called to bring a spark. Instead he just played like dog shite like everyone else. This years team has a swagger and I think he could rake given the opportunity.
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