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re: Cowherd:you're critical of LeBron because you're worried he's better than Michael Jordan
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:04 am to Dr RC
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:04 am to Dr RC
quote:You weren't around the MSB before The Decision, right?
The ONLY reason LeBron ended up getting so hated was b/c of "The Decision".
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:07 am to Dr RC
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However, the intense hatred he brings out of people was a direct result of The Decision.
Yes, and no. I think ESPN's hyping of the decision gave the haters something to latch on to that wasn't met immediately with it's just a kid having fun. It also gave ESPN something to talk about on end, and gave MJ and Kobe fanbois something to point at and say can't be the GOAT if you have to go to another team to win.
MJ and Kobe fanbois were hating on him when he was a HS senior playing games on ESPN in prime time. They pointed at his rookie year and said he was a joke. Pointed at his time in Cleveland and "childish antics" post-season record, and finals loss as undeserving. People have been attempting to discredit him his entire career. I remember when cold pizza was a thing Skip Bayless claimed Lebron could never be MJ because he had the most talented surrounding cast and couldn't even win. IIRC Skip even thought the Cavs would possibly be better when Lebron left because his me first playing style being gone would show how talented they really were.
The hate because he isn't MJ is real and has been since he was just a kid. Heck remember the blowback when it was found that he drove a H2 when he was still in HS?!?!
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:09 am to dcrews
LeBron is a better basketball player than Jordan. It's not even that outlandish of a claim to make, nor do you have to be a LBJ fan to admit such.
Hell, I've rooted against his team in every single Finals he's made
Hell, I've rooted against his team in every single Finals he's made
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:10 am to Retrograde
quote:And if Lebron goes 6-4 tell me you are the special kind of person that will say 6-0 is better
Jordan DID go 6-0 as opposed to 3-4 though.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:19 am to shel311
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You weren't around the MSB before The Decision, right?
No, I was on actual basketball message boards that had a way more accurate reflection of how bball fans felt about the dude.
Yes, there was some shade thrown his way. I don't deny that. I used to call him LeBronze b/c he hadn't won shite.
But the giant tidal wave of frick LEBRON was purely b/c of The Decision.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:20 am to RedRifle
Lebron took a step closer to Jordan's legacy after beating an amazing warriors team last year. He needs to do more, but he's narrowing the gap.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:22 am to Dr RC
quote:Wait wait wait. I don't think a basketball message board full of basketball heads is an accurate depiction of how the average fan feels. The average fan is a casual fan, not a true diehard hoops fan, like a poster on a hoops message board is likely to be.
No, I was on actual basketball message boards that had a way more accurate reflection of how bball fans felt about the dude.
So yea, I'd say the MSB sounds like a more accurate reflection as you have all different types of fans compared to a concentrated board specifically for hoops where everyone is likely a pretty big hoops fan.
quote:The Decision ramped it up a few notches, but it was there in a pretty big way even before that.
But the giant tidal wave of frick LEBRON was purely b/c of The Decision.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:22 am to RedRifle
I don't like Lebron and I didn't like Jordan either.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:23 am to RedRifle
I forgot Colin Cowherd existed
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:23 am to shel311
We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I just don't think that LeBron was all that hated before The Decision went down.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:24 am to AU4real35
quote:Yep. After that epic final 2 seasons he had in Miami, I said 2-3 more of those, and we could start up the discussion. Again, just the discussion. We're not yet at the point to have the discussion IMO.
Lebron took a step closer to Jordan's legacy after beating an amazing warriors team. He needs to do more, but he's narrowing the gap.
That being said, with last season's work against GS and this season looking like a very epic Miami-like season, he's inching closer and closer to getting in the room.
#2 is locked up, I wouldn't even field a debate on whether he's #2 or not, that's in the books already.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:25 am to StlPoke
quote:Pretty easy to do once these dudes leave ESPN. I guess you can't argue if it's a cash grab, but I wonder if these dudes are so arrogant that they think they'll get their same viewership, or if they know they're falling off the face of the Earth, but who cares because they're getting paid.
I forgot Colin Cowherd existed
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:26 am to Dr RC
quote:
However, the intense hatred he brings out of people was a direct result of The Decision.
1. The decision wasn't even that big of a deal and is only a big deal to people to find stupid shite to criticize him about.
2. He was hated by these same people way before the decision.
I am not big on his SJW crap; however, he has been probably the best face of the NBA the league could ever ask for. He doesn't get in trouble, he is a team guy, he has always been considered a likeable teammate, he tries to stay professional and say the right things for the NBA, he plays team basketball and both sides of the court, and he has been about as humble an NBA all-timer touching mythical Jordan status someone could probably be.
Cowherd is actually completely right on this topic.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 11:27 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:27 am to Dr RC
quote:
The ONLY reason LeBron ended up getting so hated was b/c of "The Decision". If he hadn't done that the perception of him would be worlds different.
Except for the fact that he was hated by many long before the decision. I still think MJ is the goat but every single person I know that hates LBJ are huge MJ or Kobe guys.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:31 am to RedRifle
quote:
admit you're critical of LeBron because you're worried he's better than Michael Jordan
this has always been true.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:32 am to RedRifle
10/10 for Colin. Well done.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:33 am to Retrograde
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Jordan DID go 6-0 as opposed to 3-4 though.
so what you're saying is that LeBron has been to more Finals than Jordan, on crappier teams most of the time, and is 32... so he will end up with probably minimum of 2-3 more Finals appearances, and could easily tie MJ for rings?
But then again, the argument has to include so much more than just rings, because we know where that leads. Bill Russel, Robert Horry, etc...
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:34 am to RedRifle
I'd have to believe he was even close to MJ first
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:36 am to Dr RC
quote:
The ONLY reason LeBron ended up getting so hated was b/c of "The Decision". If he hadn't done that the perception of him would be worlds different.
I didn't realize when people made fun of him for not being clutch or a winner as he lost in Cleveland with Boobie Gibson that it was because they knew one day he would have "The Decision".
People don't like Lebron because they don't want him to be better than MJ, so they find any reason available, a la The Decision, to confirm the already preexistent bias they have against him.
Now that the Decision is gone, it's that he sits out too much.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:39 am to Retrograde
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Except he's not in danger of surpassing Jordan, Jordan didn't spectacularly fall apart in a finals series. Jordan didn't bolt twice because he couldn't win with what he had. Jordan didn't take games off because he was tired. Jordan DID go 6-0 as opposed to 3-4 though.
Lebron didn't take off entire seasons because he's soft. Lebron didn't need another HOF before he was able to win a first round playoff series. Lebron's teams fell off the map when he left, whereas the Bulls were 2 games worse without MJ.
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