re: Colin Kap converted to Islam and is engaged to BLM activist

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That goes back to whether his actions and words will bring about anything meaningful, they will not, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether his position in life excludes him from "advocating" for more oppressed people. There's many more appropriate criticisms than he's rich so what's he complaining about.

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I think you may be intentionally missing my point or inferring things I have not said. Rich people have every right to say whatever they want. But he appears to have lumped himself into a disadvantaged group with whom he really does not "enjoy" the same disadvantages. I think he's also making some highly questionable claims with teh BLM rhetoric - almost none of which is morally inclusive enough to be useful.

If he cares about policy then he needs to make specific policy proposals. If he cares about people of privilege using their privilege to help the less fortunate then he needs to use his own substantial privilege to make concrete changes instead of shunting responsibility. With his power should come a sense of responsibility that exceeds rhetoric.

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Jews helped found the NAACP, Schindler was a Nazi, people outside of Louisiana give millions to LA flood victims. His actions and words are nowhere close to that but you don't have to be a member of a disadvantaged group to advocate for it.

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Either I'm not being clear or you're of a mindset to miss my larger point.

I have nothing against that. In fact, I think to be truly moral when you advocate you should advocate for issues that do not personally benefit your person or your fortune - that makes it unselfish. It is kind of sad that more people don't participate in charity that is that kind of unselfish - bereft of personal payout in social capital or peer acceptance.

Back to CK. But Kaep probably (on the basis of this public rhetoric) thinks of himself as very disadvantaged when he is not. He grew up essentially privileged and white. He probably has some social maladjustment from that. I think what he's doing right now is probably some sort of social catharsis for him - trying to embrace or be embraced by his less privileged teammates

That would probably be fine if it were being leveraged in a way that was either inclusive or productive because he offered personal investment to reach people who are truly in need - he offers neither so far as I can see.

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he probably paid attention to what happened in Milwaukee and Chicago, and many other cities very recently so I'm sure he's personalized some of it.

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I'm sure he has personalized it from that statement. It isn't a reasonable thing to do though. No more than it is reasonable for white people to get up in arms about affirmative action that they aren't affected personally by.

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I think what he's doing right now is probably some sort of social catharsis for him - trying to embrace or be embraced by his less privileged teammates

That's just nonsense in general and even sillier when you examine the nature of that team and more importantly it's head coach. He was already tenuously hanging on there and Kelly basically cleared out every outspoken personality at his last job so Kaep obviously knows that this guarantees he won't be in SF for long.

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You dispute the idea that his social identity is probably affecting his behavior? Then we'll have to agree to disagree. He's a light skinned black guy raised by a white family of some means. It would be really shocking if he hadn't faced pressure from both ends of the spectrum.

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You keep saying in order for his actions and words to have any depth he needs to do more than what he did, I don't disagree.

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Great. That's the most important part the argument.

I'd also say it makes mostly irrelevant any of your disputations above. Posturing is all that is taking place when you don't do something meaningful.

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I disagree that it has anything to do with trying to prove something to his teammates.

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obviously disagree entirely on that point.

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Him actions make it way more likely they won't be his teammates.

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Disagree on that point. The last thing Chip Kelly can afford is to get anywhere close to a racial controversy in his second straight (and only NFL) locker-room. If I thought CK were both amoral and manipulative I'd assume it were a play to keep his job.

His statements very likely mean no second chance with another team but they also very likely mean he can't be terminated by the 49ers if Chip doesn't want to lose his players.

If he had done anything meaningful with the inner city that changed lives we would have heard about it. We haven't.

If he doesn't have the normal social pressures about how does he fit in as a mixed race person adopted by a white family then he's psychologically abnormal. Either because he can't understand other people's emotions or because they are not important to him. If a bunch of dead and skinned dogs or raccoons start showing up in his vicinity then I'll consider that possibility more seriously.

It's America. You know where people have the freedom to worship the religion they choose and marry who they love.

They are free to do and feel any way they feel, as long as no one is harmed by their actions.


So no one has been harmed by:

A. Him not standing for the Anthem
B. Him converting to Islam
C. Him marrying a BLM activist


all of these things are legal. I think his reasoning for not standing is foolish but it doesn't change my feelings or beliefs toward the country or flag.

Why do some get so upset over what is really normal shite?

All of that.

If someone were sit down on your parents tombstone and chill it isnt against the law and doesnt hurt anyone. But you can still not like the disrespect...esp if your parents gave him the oppurtunity to lead a dream life.



You can give a shite about iraq, vietnam, korea, etc and say those wars arent about protecting our freedom..but there was atleast ww2 that people did die for trying to keep us safe and defeat an enemy from spreading to our mainland eventually.
And then theres a war where family had to fight on different sides to help free (and many other reasons) black people...and they did it fighting for the flag that he hates. So when hes sitting hes sitting on those guys graves who died for him and talking shite about them.


Im not offended but im annoyed with it because of lack of respect to those who died so he had a chance to earn his millions. So even if our feelings for flags dont change by what he has does people should still can say hey thats a dick thing to do without someone thinking we are stepping on the 1st amendment

Instead of sitting it would be cooler if he did the Black Power salute during the national anthem. Then he will standing to satisfy the mouth-breathers and protesting at the same time.

Colin is like the majority of posters on the Poliboard in that he's a follower. He doesn't really seem to have any original thoughts of his own and he just retweets and swallows anything Shaun King posts.

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Colin is like the majority of Americans in that he's a follower

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fixed.


and you are spot on. he isn't standing up for his beliefs, not sure he really has any. He is well sitting down for someone else's opinion.



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