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Brandon Phillips is a dumb dumb.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:11 am
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"I don't do that MLB Network on-base percentage (stuff),'' Phillips told USA TODAY Sports. "I think that's messing up baseball. I think people now are just worried about getting paid and worrying about on-base percentage instead of just winning the game.
"That's the new thing now. I feel like all of these stats and all of these geeks upstairs, they're messing up baseball, they're just changing the game. It's all about on-base percentage. If you don't get on base, then you suck. That's basically what they're saying. People don't care about RBI or scoring runs, it's all about getting on base.
"Why we changing the game after all of this time? If we all just took our walks, nobody would be scoring runs. Nobody would be driving anybody in or getting anybody over. How you going to play the game like that? People don't look at doing the things the right way and doing things to help your team win."
quote:Does Phillips suck when he drives in Joey Votto 40 times while managing a .230 average? For the record, Phillips has a career .317 OBP. Coincidentally, in Phillips' best years he OBP'd between .331 and .353. So, there you go.
"I remember back in the day you hit .230, you suck. Nowadays, you hit .230 with a .400 on-base percentage, you're one of the best players in the game. That's amazing. I've never seen (stuff) like that. Times have changed. It's totally different now."
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:13 am to The Sad Banana
He's been saying this for years... at least he's consistent.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:14 am to The Sad Banana
These comments are also a shot at Votto, who has become less agressive at the plate over the years, and is content with taking walks while hitting with runners on base.
It's almost like he's trying to force himself out of Cincinnati. Problem is, nobody wants him. Even with his great defense, he seems to be a liability in the clubhouse.
It's almost like he's trying to force himself out of Cincinnati. Problem is, nobody wants him. Even with his great defense, he seems to be a liability in the clubhouse.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:18 am to reddman
I kinda agree with his stance in regards to Votto. They need that guy to swing the bat with runner on base
Different roles weight the stats differently. For a 2 hole hitter OBP is much more valuable than power numbers of a 5 hole hitter
Different roles weight the stats differently. For a 2 hole hitter OBP is much more valuable than power numbers of a 5 hole hitter
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:24 am to KBeezy
Votto should hit 2nd and change nothing about his approach.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:24 am to KBeezy
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I kinda agree with his stance in regards to Votto. They need that guy to swing the bat with runner on base
Different roles weight the stats differently. For a 2 hole hitter OBP is much more valuable than power numbers of a 5 hole hitter
I definitely agree that Votto needs to be more aggressive. Thing with BP is, he always wants to be a top of the order hitter, but his approach is more suited for the 7 hole.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:24 am to The Seaward
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Votto should hit 2nd and change nothing about his approach.
They moved him to the 2 hole last year. Problem is, Cincy doesnt really have a 3 hole hitter either.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:25 am to papz
I actually get what he's getting at though and I do think he has a point. The emphasis on analytics has really become a big part of the game... and sometimes too important.
I think the fact that he said, and how he said it(butthurt), makes it seem more than what it is. I can see a baseball fundamentalist backing his opinion and while making his point a lot more convincing than Phillips' opinion.
I think the fact that he said, and how he said it(butthurt), makes it seem more than what it is. I can see a baseball fundamentalist backing his opinion and while making his point a lot more convincing than Phillips' opinion.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:26 am to The Sad Banana
Philips is exhibit A that RBIs are a stupid stat to judge players on. He racked up over 100 in 2013 despite being a league average hitter just because he hit 4th behind Choo and Votto, who were OBP machines.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:26 am to papz
BP's main goal in life is to lead the league in moving runners from 2nd to 3rd.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:27 am to reddman
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Problem is, Cincy doesnt really have a 3 hole hitter either.
Should have never traded away Hamilton. If he hadn't gone to TX he wouldn't have tossed that ball to that firefighter that ended up being underthrown and then the dude fell and died in front of his kid and Josh saw it and then he went out to California and couldn't shake that he inadvertently killed a dude and his head was messed up to the point where he went back to the hard stuff.
He'd be working on back to back to back MVPs if he was still in Cincy.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:28 am to reddman
Maybe Frazier, Mescaro or Bruce (if he can bounce back)
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:31 am to The Sad Banana
There is some truth to what he is saying, but I think it is strange to conflate OBP with advanced metrics that are "messing up baseball." OBP has been around for a long long long time.
Reaching base is obviously much better than making an out, but extra base hits are still extremely valuable. Ideally, you have mix of both in your lineup. I have long found that SLG tracks run scoring at least as well as OBP. Below is a graph that plots 2014 teams' run scoring rank against OBP rank and then against SLG rank. SLG seems to correlate more closely with scoring.
Reaching base is obviously much better than making an out, but extra base hits are still extremely valuable. Ideally, you have mix of both in your lineup. I have long found that SLG tracks run scoring at least as well as OBP. Below is a graph that plots 2014 teams' run scoring rank against OBP rank and then against SLG rank. SLG seems to correlate more closely with scoring.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:33 am to reddman
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BP's main goal in life is to lead the league in moving runners from 2nd to 3rd.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:38 am to Speedy G
Yeah. The guy acts like OPS isn't stressed in baseball.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:40 am to The Sad Banana
A black 2nd baseman for the Reds who says dumb things and is dismissive of modern stat tracking.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:41 am to SwaggerCopter
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Yeah. The guy acts like OPS isn't stressed in baseball.
He's not saying that IMO.
He's saying that guys are more concerned about OBP because they know that's how the will get paid rather than trying to win a game going for a extra base hit (a la Joey fricking Votto).
Everyone understands that OBP is important, but extra base hits are game changers as well, especially for middle of the order guys.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:43 am to Lsuhoohoo
The Reds fleeced the frick out of the Astros with that Morgan trade.
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:43 am to KosmoCramer
But OPS rewards you for extra base hits...
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