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re: Best NBA rosters on paper with bad records?
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:41 pm to shel311
Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:41 pm to shel311
Looking at Warriors lineup combos with a minimum of 25 possessions this season.
Their best lineup without Curry is +14 in Net Points (Steph replaced by Livingston)
Their best lineup without Dray is +14 in Net Points (Dray replaced with Looney)
Their best lineup without Curry is +14 in Net Points (Steph replaced by Livingston)
Their best lineup without Dray is +14 in Net Points (Dray replaced with Looney)
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Posted on 5/22/17 at 4:59 pm to shel311
no their ortg is still second in the league without him
hes bigger faster and stronger. i cant trust anything you say if you think curry looks better than john wall does on an eye test. john wall is a freak of nature, steph is just a dude with an unbelievable 3 point shot. John has a better mid range game for sure and is better at getting to the rim. per game stats show john wall is directly responsible for more points than curry (23 and 11 vs 25 and 6.6) advanced stats im sure favor curry though if thats what youre in to.
head to head this year
John wall averaging 13 points and 15 assists (assuming some of these assists are 3's thats like 53 points)
curry averaging 33 and 6 (48ish)
keep in mind the difference in defense between the two teams as well.
hes bigger faster and stronger. i cant trust anything you say if you think curry looks better than john wall does on an eye test. john wall is a freak of nature, steph is just a dude with an unbelievable 3 point shot. John has a better mid range game for sure and is better at getting to the rim. per game stats show john wall is directly responsible for more points than curry (23 and 11 vs 25 and 6.6) advanced stats im sure favor curry though if thats what youre in to.
head to head this year
John wall averaging 13 points and 15 assists (assuming some of these assists are 3's thats like 53 points)
curry averaging 33 and 6 (48ish)
keep in mind the difference in defense between the two teams as well.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:02 pm to kadillak
hilarious 
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:03 pm to spaceranger
quote:
head to head this year
John wall averaging 13 points and 17 assists (assuming some of these assists are 3's thats like 53 points)
curry averaging 33 and 6 (48ish)
haha
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:05 pm to spaceranger
quote:Are you trying to say that when Curry is off the floor, GS's Ortg is 2nd best in the league? If so, that's way off. The team's Ortg when he's off the court is 104.4, which would be good for 28th in the league.
no their ortg is still second in the league without him
quote:I'm telling you Curry is better than Wall, plain and simple. If you disagree, prayers sent.
hes bigger faster and stronger. i cant trust anything you say if you think curry looks better than john wall does on an eye test
quote:Did your eye test tell you that "for sure?
John has a better mid range game for sure
Curry 10-16 ft out: 48.3%
Curry 16-23 ft out: 47.3%
Wall 10-16 ft out: 38.1%
Wall 16-23 ft out: 39.3%
Hell is going on with your eye test? How can I trust your eye test when it told you the guy who shoots 10 percentage points lower from midrange is "for sure" the better midrange shooter?
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:06 pm to GeauxAggie972
quote:
Always loved the Three Js in Dallas:
Jason Kidd
Jimmy Jackson
Jamal Mashburn
Popeye Jones
Lorenzo Williams
Drugged out Roy Tarpley
36-46 in 1994-95
Toni Braxton blew up that team
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:07 pm to shel311
because difficulty of shot is not put into that. because of the coach (as discussed earlier) and players around him, curry gets an incredible amount of open looks. not so much with john. john has more of a shot arsenal as well whereas curry is mostly 3/layup
quote:
The Warriors would be the second-best team in the NBA. With all three of its All-Stars on the floor, Golden State outscored opponents by an incredible 20.4 points per 100 possessions. With Thompson and Green in without Curry, that number drops to plus-7.9 points per 100 possessions. Though it’s a steep drop, it’s still good enough that it would have ranked second in the NBA this season, behind the Spurs.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:10 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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of their three best players, the oldest one turned 22 in february. they blew a metric frick ton of leads this year because of their youth. im not sure how far away they are, but if they keep the core 3 and they all keep progressing, this team is gonna be awesome.
You could write most of this exact same post about 15 years ago- KG, "Starbury", etc
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:11 pm to spaceranger
quote:So John Wall is "for sure" the better midrange shooter because he takes more difficult shots?
because difficulty of shot is not put into that
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:15 pm to spaceranger
That's not second best offense. You're terrible at arguing this
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:33 pm to spaceranger
quote:So Curry takes more efficient shots, that's definitely a knock on Curry.
john has more of a shot arsenal as well whereas curry is mostly 3/layup
I love the idea that the GS offense, everything open up for Curry, but it's not Curry the best shooter we've ever seen opening up things for everyone else.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:48 pm to spaceranger
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he doesnt look like a terrible defender because hes never on the ball. eye test homie. it means alot more than whatever advanced stats you pull out your arse mean. he cant stay in front of anyone and cant body anyone down low. they hide him off the ball and let him play the passing lanes which hes good at. They hide him and take him out of tight games because hes such a shitty defender
Yes, they hide him just like every other team tries to hide their point guard on defense. That's the problem with this lazy argument -- people want to ignore the size disadvantage of an NBA PG on defense and pretend like the problem only exists for Curry. Every team knows this and tries to attack this mismatch everywhere.
Cases in point:
NBA Finals last year: GS actually went away from what they normally do on offense and ran a lot of 1/3, 1/4 pick and rolls to get Barnes on Kyrie in the post where Barnes ate his lunch for the first few games of the series.
ECF this year: CLE screening LeBron's man with whoever Thomas was guarding. BOS kept trying to avoid switching this, which lead to overhelp and a lot of holes in their defense.
Teams attack Chris Paul the same way even though he defends really well at his position.
No matter how good you are as a defender, you can't do anything when you're at such a size disadvantage. That's where Curry struggles as does almost every point guard, so naturally coaches try to hide them on defense the best they can. As for position, Curry is more than adequate guarding other guards.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:53 pm to shel311
john is forced into more difficult shots because the teams offense isnt as good. his ability to make these shots > than currys because of the freakish athletic ability.
curry is not the best shooter we have ever seen. hes the best 3 point shooter. but best shooter? get real. kobe is the best shooter ive ever seen. mid range, post, and from deep are all lethal. he can make any shot on the floor at any point. curry cant. he can drain threes but hes never a threat to drain a fade away along the baseline with the defender draped on him. kobe has made stuuuupid 3 pointers with defense on him too.
im not knocking him for not taking these shots but i cant elevate him for the same reason
GSW leads the league in open shots. but that wont effect shooting percentage im sure
curry is not the best shooter we have ever seen. hes the best 3 point shooter. but best shooter? get real. kobe is the best shooter ive ever seen. mid range, post, and from deep are all lethal. he can make any shot on the floor at any point. curry cant. he can drain threes but hes never a threat to drain a fade away along the baseline with the defender draped on him. kobe has made stuuuupid 3 pointers with defense on him too.
im not knocking him for not taking these shots but i cant elevate him for the same reason
GSW leads the league in open shots. but that wont effect shooting percentage im sure
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:56 pm to spaceranger
quote:
kobe is the best shooter ive ever seen.
Look, Kobe and Hakeem are my two favorite players of all time, but just no.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 5:58 pm to kadillak
ehhhhhh thats not true. tony allen, gary payton say hello.
curry is 6'3. bigger than the guys you listed and same height as westbrook who has no problem at all guarding the best player on the other team.
kyrie a garbage defender too. fwiw
curry is 6'3. bigger than the guys you listed and same height as westbrook who has no problem at all guarding the best player on the other team.
kyrie a garbage defender too. fwiw
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:02 pm to spaceranger
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curry is 6'3. bigger than the guys you listed and same height as westbrook who has no problem at all guarding the best player on the other team.
No, he doesn't. Roberson does.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:03 pm to kadillak
dude you should know then. kobe has 30 minute highlight tapes of game film of mid range game and post game here and here
steph has 3 point shot highlight reels and thats it. also, just because a shot is deep doesnt mean it was a hard shot to make. it just means there was nobody guarding him out there. many 2 pointers are much harder to make than some 3's
Here is 8 minutes of kobe making impossible 3 pointers
steph has 3 point shot highlight reels and thats it. also, just because a shot is deep doesnt mean it was a hard shot to make. it just means there was nobody guarding him out there. many 2 pointers are much harder to make than some 3's
Here is 8 minutes of kobe making impossible 3 pointers
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:04 pm to kadillak
i said he has no problem doing it. not that he always does it.
way to avoid the point
way to avoid the point
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:07 pm to shel311
quote:
I love the idea that the GS offense, everything open up for Curry, but it's not Curry the best shooter we've ever seen opening up things for everyone else
quote:
During the regular season, Green and Thompson played 297 minutes together without Curry on the court. The Warriors’ offensive rating during that time wasn’t on the same level as it is when Curry is on the floor, but it was still a very good 109.7 points per 100 possessions (nice enough to rank third overall).
they do just fine without him as ive already shown.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 5/22/17 at 6:15 pm to spaceranger
quote:It's not a bad idea to see an optometrist from time to time.
kobe is the best shooter ive ever seen. mid range, post, and from deep are all lethal.
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