re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOF

Yes but the point is that Andro started the witch hunt. Baseball writers refuse to acknowledge that their heroes of the past did the same thing as the modern day player . The hypocrisy of them and people like you, are in one word disgusting.

I side with Mike Schmidt on this issue. He has more clout and expertise than any of us when it comes to this.

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Yes but the point is that Andro started the witch hunt.

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Not the issue. McGwire used illegal steroids, and he has admitted this.

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Baseball writers refuse to acknowledge that their heroes of the past did the same thing as the modern day player

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Prove it.

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The hypocrisy of them and people like you, are in one word disgusting.

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^^^Blowhard trying to take moral highground after defending cheaters and misusing the word "hypocrisy."

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I side with Mike Schmidt on this issue. He has more clout and expertise than any of us when it comes to this.

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Doesn't matter. Mike isn't above the rules or the law. The union dug itself a deep hole by protecting cheaters, so it is fair to associate everybody in that union at that time with cheating.

Not that I even disagree with anything Mike says here:

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"I really feel uneasy about linking players of that era to PEDs who may not have been involved, players where there may be suspicion of involvement," Schmidt said. "I think it's totally wrong that that whole generation is being linked to PEDs. If you had a friend that used them you're linked to them. It seems now if you're a Hall of Fame-caliber player that you're going to have a really tough time getting in the Hall of Fame. It's really too bad. It's a problem we have in our sport right now, but time will cure it."

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Obviously anyone with half a brain knows that this makes sense. If you don't have evidence on somebody, innocence must be presumed in the official, on-paper sense.

The union could have outed the cheaters to protect the non-cheaters, but they didn't. And now MANY players will suffer whether they cheated or not. This is the kind of thing that happens when a corrupt union gets its way too often.

"Hypocrisy" Don't be a dope and try to claim the moral high ground. I don't care whether anyone is a bad person. I just want rules and laws to be followed. If a person can't play baseball and follow the rules and the law, then he should frick off and find something else to do.

And another thing, and another reason the players with Hall of Fame credentials blew it: all these players who cheated knew they were cheating, and they all knew that to get in the Hall of Fame they'd need the blessing of baseball writers, and they all knew that if it were ever found out that they had cheated to attain their Hall of Fame numbers, then they would lose a great deal of that blessing and probably not get in. So frick 'em. They're adults, and they knew the risks they were taking, and if they didn't, then that's kind of too bad. These boys need to man up and deal with the mistakes that they made (this will be a challenge for many of them considering that a lot of what these boys do shrinks one's balls).

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Pudge and Jeff Bagwell are made to suffer thanks to those roid freaks

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With a gun to your head and your life hanging in the balance on the accuracy of your answer you'd guess Bagwell and Pudge were both users. There's no smoking gun (so far as I can tell) but their environments, appearances, and performances are the equivalent of finishing in teh top five of the tour de france while armstrong was winning the whole thing

A little late for this isn't it

When I see people campaigning to kick guys like Mantle and Arron out of the Hall for their use of amphetemines (also illegal drugs), then I'll take them seriously.

But PEDs were not only "legal" in a baseball sense, they were actively encouraged. But we still haven't gotten over our phony moral outrage. Part of that is glorification of the past, and part of that is our inability to talk honestly about drugs in any context, much less sports.

What will eventually happen is someone elected to the Hall will then cop to PED use, and the barrier will slowly erode. But the idea that the best hitter and pitcher of the past half century are both eligible but not in the Hall is absurd (Clemens and Bonds). We are reaching a point where the players left out of the Hall are far superior to those getting elected. Also, many people are being kept out on rumor and innuendo.

Make an era adjustment for the offensive context, and then move on.

That 96 season is weird though...he never hit more than 20 any other year.

96 was Brady Anderson's year as well

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Pudge and Jeff Bagwell are made to suffer thanks to those roid freaks

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Huge Astros and Bags fan, but willing to bet Bags was juicing, could be wrong but just my opinion.

What line do you draw? What about all the guys that were never caught? Clearly, hundreds of players got away with PED use.

I do not want to keep any player with the numbers out, but I would understand if they banned players who "knowingly" took illegal or banned drugs. Up until 2005, the league barely punished (and essentially encouraged) the use of PEDs.

They need to stop being so hypocritical. I really wish someone like Ken Griffey, Jr. (Because of the universal love for him) was implicated just to see how everyone would react.

Also, it is bullshite to keep guys like Bonds and Clemens out. If they are out, you may as well just shut down the HOF.

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Don't be asinine.

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Whatshisface said

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Baseball writers refuse to acknowledge that their heroes of the past did the same thing as the modern day player

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I then asked him to prove that baseball writers refuse to acknowledge that their heroes of the past did the same thing as the modern day player. You then provided a link to a baseball writer acknowledging that his heroes of the past did the same thing as the modern day player.

You sent a link that agrees with me.

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Attempts to enhance performance are just part of the game. It always has been. Spitballs. Greenies. Steroids. Testosterone. Whatever. In a few years it will be something else.

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The issue isn't enhancing performance. The issue is cheating. When doing something is against the rules, and then you do that thing to gain an advantage, you are cheating.