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Bagwell vs Thomas
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:30 pm
Jeff Bagwell stats. 15 years
.297 Avg
.408 OBP
.540 SLG
.948 OPS
2,314 hits
449 home runs
1,529 RBI's
1,517 Runs
202 steals
1401 walks
.993 Fld%
4× All-Star
1994 Gold Glove Winner
3× Silver Slugger Award winner
1994 NL MVP
1991 NL Rookie of the Year
Frank Thomas stats. 19 years
.301 AVG
.419 OBP
.555 SLG
.974 OPS
2,468 hits
521 home runs
1,704 RBI's
1,494 runs
32 steals
1667 walks
.991 Fld%
5× All-Star
4× Silver Slugger Award winner
2× AL MVP )
1997 AL batting title
2000 AL Comeback Player of the Year
1995 Home Run Derby champion
Cleary they both have Hall of Fame careers, but how does Frank get in on his first try, but Bagwell doesn't on his fourth. Why is Bags accused of PED and Frank isn't?
.297 Avg
.408 OBP
.540 SLG
.948 OPS
2,314 hits
449 home runs
1,529 RBI's
1,517 Runs
202 steals
1401 walks
.993 Fld%
4× All-Star
1994 Gold Glove Winner
3× Silver Slugger Award winner
1994 NL MVP
1991 NL Rookie of the Year
Frank Thomas stats. 19 years
.301 AVG
.419 OBP
.555 SLG
.974 OPS
2,468 hits
521 home runs
1,704 RBI's
1,494 runs
32 steals
1667 walks
.991 Fld%
5× All-Star
4× Silver Slugger Award winner
2× AL MVP )
1997 AL batting title
2000 AL Comeback Player of the Year
1995 Home Run Derby champion
Cleary they both have Hall of Fame careers, but how does Frank get in on his first try, but Bagwell doesn't on his fourth. Why is Bags accused of PED and Frank isn't?
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:32 pm to Smokedawg
quote:
Why is Bags accused of PED and Frank isn't?
not sure if serious
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:33 pm to Smokedawg
Frank was always a big dude.
Bags bulked up a lot in his early years
Bags bulked up a lot in his early years
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:34 pm to Smokedawg
Well Frank has better numbers in almost every category 
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:38 pm to Smokedawg
my only question is how in the frick did Frank manage to get 32 steals? 
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:39 pm to Weagle25
Well frank played 19 years, and the last 4 he was a DH
Bagwell played 15 and the last season he only play in 24 games.
Bagwell played 15 and the last season he only play in 24 games.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:06 pm to Smokedawg
just accept it bags isn't making it in this way... my guy is on year 5 no go. if McGriff only had 8 more hr to hit the 500 mark it'd be automatic. oh well, f baseball
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:10 pm to Weagle25
quote:
Well Frank has better numbers in almost every category
162 game averages:
Frank Thomas
R - 104
HR - 36
RBI - 119
SB - 2
BB - 116
Bagwell
R - 114
HR - 34
RBI - 115
SB - 15
BB - 106
Pretty damn comparable with Bags holding a significant advantage in steals (if you're into that sort of thing). Not to mention Bagwell played 81 games a season in the Astrodome for the better part of his career.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:11 pm to ehole
It's a bummer that Bags isn't in. That 1994 season was, until Cabrera's recently, one of the most impressive seasons I've seen.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:15 pm to Smokedawg
This is why the Hall of fame gets more watered down every year. People want to compare stats of a non-HOFer to a low end HOFer and rationalize getting more borderline guys in.
The old saying is true. If you have to ask if a guy belongs in the Hall of Fame, he doesnt. Can't anybody just be a very good player without everyone wanting him to be a Hall of famer?
The old saying is true. If you have to ask if a guy belongs in the Hall of Fame, he doesnt. Can't anybody just be a very good player without everyone wanting him to be a Hall of famer?
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:19 pm to Smokedawg
And, they were born on the exact same day!
Thomas was better, though.
Thomas was better, though.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:20 pm to Smokedawg
Those late 90s/ early 2000 Astros teams were a phrarmacuy clinic for steroids. Not saying Bagwell was a juicer but he is tainted by association
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:21 pm to Silky Johnston
quote:
Not to mention Bagwell played 81 games a season in the Astrodome for the better part of his career.
Ding ding ding. Bagwell has better ballpark adjusted numbers.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:22 pm to Smokedawg
Because Bagwell went from looking like this:
to looking like this:
guy probably put on 30 to 40 lbs of muscle in a relatively short period of time.
to looking like this:
guy probably put on 30 to 40 lbs of muscle in a relatively short period of time.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:44 pm to LSUnowhas2
I loved Bagwell growing up and I'll even admit that the likelihood of him doing steroids is pretty high, but that specific picture comparison is far from compelling evidence. Houston didn't go to the red logos until 2000. 1991 vs. 2000 is 10 years. A lot can change in 10 years. Not a good comparison.
Hell I accidentally gained 50 pounds in the last 10 years.
Hell I accidentally gained 50 pounds in the last 10 years.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:10 pm to Silky Johnston
quote:
that specific picture comparison is far from compelling evidence.
He's not that much different.
I mean,
His 95 Topps card
Its not exactly this:
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:14 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
The percentage of players in the hall of fame is decreasing every year
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:42 pm to Smokedawg
quote:
1995 Home Run Derby champion
Like THIS matters...........
BTW Thomas all the way.......
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:46 pm to dukke v
Frank Thomas and Bagwell have comparable numbers. Thomas got in because he is one of a handful of guys, alongside Maddux, Glavine, Larkin, Griffey Jr., and maybe Biggio who are considered clean by the vast majority of the baseball writers.
Schilling and Raines are also considered clean but didn't get in (I'm basically counting Biggio in, as he is a lock for next year), but the reason why the vast majority of 90s players aren't getting in is simply because of PED association.
Schilling and Raines are also considered clean but didn't get in (I'm basically counting Biggio in, as he is a lock for next year), but the reason why the vast majority of 90s players aren't getting in is simply because of PED association.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:51 pm to Smokedawg
Milestones. Thomas got to 500 HRs and Bagwell didn't.
But Astro fans shouldn't be upset about players getting in because of milestones, it will be the only reason Biggio gets in.
But Astro fans shouldn't be upset about players getting in because of milestones, it will be the only reason Biggio gets in.
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