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re: Article Drops About Oregon St Ace Felony Molestation Conviction
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I would like to see the data. I have a feeling 15 would not be an age in which the repeat rate is low
you can't say "these people cannot be fixed" when the macro data shows the exact opposite
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:And lol "sex crimes"
Research shows that the vast majority of juveniles convicted of sex crimes do not reoffend in subsequent years
That could be a 15 year old grabbing unwanted boob on a 14 year old.
I want to see data for high school age kids that molest pre-pubescent toddlers
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:09 am to TH03
quote:
Never knew that. Seems like the opposite of serial killers where you see the progression from small animals to people later in life.
i think the issue is early intervention
our sexual desires/fetishes are developed at specific points in our lives (post-puberty) and if they're allowed to develop unchecked can grow. if experts intervene in improper sexual desires within this age range, it seems very possible to "correct" the issues
i think a major issue with pedos is that it's so taboo they can never admit the pathology and, accordingly, never seek help and by the time they're into their 20s, it is there for life
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:12 am to lsupride87
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:None of those articles break down by age
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:16 am to lsupride87
that refined type of data in an area with sealed records is literally impossible to analyze
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I agree
that refined type of data in an area with sealed records is literally impossible to analyze
But dont you agree it is absolutely necessary to garner any true hypothesis?
A 10 year old grabbing and molesting an 8 year old on the playground
A 17 year old that grabs a 16 year olds arse
A 15 year old that puts his hands inside a 6 year old family member
Would you agree to group these all together give us no discernible trend?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:21 am to msutiger
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He served his time, he's been humiliated before and will be a sex offender for the rest of his life. Let the guy live out the rest of his life. He was an idiot 15 year old. He hasn't done anything wrong since and I'm not against giving people second chances.
This is tough because what he did was disgusting but it also happened years ago after he has served his time.
that's what I was alluding to on the rant, but of course the rant thinks I'm some Michael Jackson fanboy and suggesting I condone the activity
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
our sexual desires/fetishes are developed at specific points in our lives (post-puberty) and if they're allowed to develop unchecked can grow. if experts intervene in improper sexual desires within this age range, it seems very possible to "correct" the issues
I've never thought of it in that light, interesting.
Is there any way to quantify how long one has before intervention before the pathology becomes, say, permanent?
Also be interesting to see that type of data broken down by age.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 10:22 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:22 am to tigerbait2010
quote:No we dont. I just 100% disagree that what he did is something he can "change from."
but of course the rant thinks I'm some Michael Jackson fanboy and suggesting I condone the activity
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:22 am to Ross
quote:It isnt broken down by age or crime committed. Which is useless data to me
Also be interesting to see that type of data broken down by age.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
quote:
But dont you agree it is absolutely necessary to garner any true hypothesis?
i imagine when you're dealing with teens convicted of sexual offenses, there is going to be more than enough of those scenarios within the dataset to use on a macro level. i mean first of all, we're talking about juveniles, so under-17. there isn't going to be much leeway with age b/c (1) you can only go so far down from 16 and (2) sub-17 teens aren't going to be prosecuted for consentual sex with others within a few years of their age
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:26 am to Ross
quote:
Is there any way to quantify how long one has before intervention before the pathology becomes, say, permanent?
no clue but i know tons of psychology is devoted to this area
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:27 am to bubbz
Well that escalated quickly
One day you're a superstar pitcher and soon to be multi-millionaire, the next you're the creepy pedophile uncle.
One day you're a superstar pitcher and soon to be multi-millionaire, the next you're the creepy pedophile uncle.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Disagree completely. I would imagine a huge majority of these sex crimes relates to 15-16 year olds being forcible with others in their age group. That is absolutely going to be the most common offense
i imagine when you're dealing with teens convicted of sexual offenses, there is going to be more than enough of those scenarios within the dataset to use on a macro level. i mean first of all, we're talking about juveniles, so under-17. there isn't going to be much leeway with age b/c (1) you can only go so far down from 16 and (2) sub-17 teens aren't going to be prosecuted for consentual sex with others within a few years of their age
And I dont think that has 1 iota of relation to someone at 15 who molests a 6 year old. Yet, we are grouping them together in these studies
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 10:28 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:28 am to Roger Klarvin
Christmas must be awkward
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:30 am to lsupride87
quote:
That is absolutely going to be the most common offense
you're making a huge assumption there
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I think it is one grounded in solid thought
you're making a huge assumption there
Would you think there are more times high school kids get in trouble for being forcible with others, or high school kids molesting 6 year old family members?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:33 am to lsufball19
quote:
he was punished with probation and sex offender treatment. For a Class A felony, that's a pretty sweet deal.
Being forced to register as a sex offender is usually game over. You're much better off doing 5 years and getting out than walking around with the sex offender label.
Dude's life is over. He'll never play professionally and nobody but the public school system will hire him.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:36 am to lsupride87
quote:
Would you think there are more times high school kids get in trouble for being forcible with others, or high school kids molesting 6 year old family members?
i think you underestimate how common molestation cases are and way over-estimate rape rape cases
the problem is the data typically includes both (even for adult charges) so it's probably not possible to really separate the rate of either
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