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re: Anyone else think that Hinkie may run the risk of devaluing his biggest assets?
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:18 am to TallMan
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:18 am to TallMan
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I don't see anything wrong with them just playing all their bigs together for a few years while they figure out which ones they wanna keep. It's not like each of them necessarily needs 40 minutes a night to develop and you can still get them all a bunch of minutes by going big and playing them together. Their spacing will be terrible and it will be hard to win, but they won't care about that for a few years anyway. And there's a big enough market for talented big men that I don't think they'll be forced to accept 50 cents on the dollar whenever they do decide to trade one of them.
Having two guys next to each other -- so near the basket -- who don't fit well will make their game and development suffer, IMO. You going to have one of them defend the perimeter on defense? How do you fine tune a post game with two defenders on you because no one cares about the other center you have standing near the 3 pt line?
And instead of 50 cents on the dollar, they may get 75, but they're still not getting a good ROI.
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Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:18 am to hendersonshands
Yes. But centers typically don't play 30 mpg+ as rookies, especially embiid coming off an injury. And the 76ers wouldn't have a problem playing guys at power forward that shouldn't be there to get everyone minutes. Okafor and embiid could get their. 25-28 while noel plays 30.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:19 am to floridatigah
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Meaning he wants one of these top picks to be a Davis/Kyrie/wiggins/etc type hit
those hits are super rare. a davis comes around once every 10 years or so
kyrie is a flawed arse player who is a 3rd option on a great team at best
we'll see with wiggins
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If he thinks okafor could be in that class and say mudiay isn't, he's not going to draft mudiay just because he had embiid already.
then what does that say about embiid? what does that DO to embidd as a player? what does that do to his value?
so basically it punts another draft (2 in a row now with MCW being dealt, noel not doing so hot, and embiid sinking like noel)?
let's assume the absolute best, that the draft works out and okafor is amazing. another AD
the 76ers have okafor and shite (maybe my boy tony wroten). embiid has to get dealt for a pick. and you have to start the charade all over again trying to get lucky, when you're hitting once every 3 years with a suitable player. by that point okafor is approaching RFA when he finally gets a 2nd piece next to him, who will need 2-3 years of development. then he's almost done with that 2nd contract when the next guy is reaching RFA. etc
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:20 am to floridatigah
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Yes. But centers typically don't play 30 mpg+ as rookies, especially embiid coming off an injury. And the 76ers wouldn't have a problem playing guys at power forward that shouldn't be there to get everyone minutes. Okafor and embiid could get their. 25-28 while noel plays 30.
Plus you have the DLeague
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:20 am to RTR America
Yeah they both could be great or they both could be flops, which is kind of the point. They're waiting on these guys and if they don't turn out to be great, they're left with mid round picks and a ton of cap space to offer FAs, they'd probably have to overpay as well.
When is Saric supposed to come over?
When is Saric supposed to come over?
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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so basically it punts another draft (2 in a row now with MCW being dealt, noel not doing so hot,
Tbf about 90% of the league has punted on that draft
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:23 am to RTR America
Yeah, but 90% of the league hasn't put all of their eggs in that one basket.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:24 am to floridatigah
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Hinkie is swinging for the fences
Not really...He is adjusting his cup with one foot out of the batter's box.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:26 am to hendersonshands
They were having to rebuild at that stage anyway because how big of a clusterfrick the Bynum thing was.
I find myself defending this too much, mainly because I just think it is a super interesting experiment.
I find myself defending this too much, mainly because I just think it is a super interesting experiment.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:28 am to hendersonshands
It could stunt their development, or it could be a good thing, forcing them to learn to score in traffic early in their career. Maybe that's a stretch. But I actually definitely like forcing one or two of them to play the 4 defensively. Having bigs that can switch the PnR is so valuable, and putting them at the 4 will make them develop those skills or look silly nightly.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:28 am to RTR America
I think it's really interesting too and I do it on 2K15 all the time but it's just a really risky strategy that has a much bigger chance of failing than hitting. I guess if his bosses are cool with it and the fans aren't upset, go for it. I just don't think I'd be happy if the Pels were doing it.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:30 am to hendersonshands
His contract allows him to come over starting next year. Hinkie will want him over ASAP so he falls under the normal rookie contract and is under team control, he keeps in contact with Dario.
The 76ers aren't even in last place. So the whole okafor/embiid "problem" isn't likely. But there's a best case scenario there where the 76ers could have a franchise center and the best trade chip in the league. And at that point I don't think they kick the can down the road then you start to build around the center.
My biggest problem is it's one and a half years into this plan. If the 76ers moved mcw for a meh pick I think people would have a point. If they're still kicking the can after year 3 and half of noel, embiid, Covington, and 2015 1st round pick X have been traded then these gripes become legitimate.
The 76ers aren't even in last place. So the whole okafor/embiid "problem" isn't likely. But there's a best case scenario there where the 76ers could have a franchise center and the best trade chip in the league. And at that point I don't think they kick the can down the road then you start to build around the center.
My biggest problem is it's one and a half years into this plan. If the 76ers moved mcw for a meh pick I think people would have a point. If they're still kicking the can after year 3 and half of noel, embiid, Covington, and 2015 1st round pick X have been traded then these gripes become legitimate.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:34 am to floridatigah
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The 76ers aren't even in last place. So the whole okafor/embiid "problem" isn't likely
Meh, worst teams never get the top pick. We're not sure if Silver fixes drafts yet.
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the best trade chip in the league.
What's that?
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If the 76ers moved mcw for a meh pick I think people would have a point
They probably won't get a pick this year since it's top-5 protected. It's top-3 protected next year so if Byron Scott is still around, they may not get it next year either.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:37 am to RTR America
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Tbf about 90% of the league has punted on that draft
90% of the league is not completely selling out for the draft, though
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:09 pm to floridatigah
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He's a legitimately awesome defensive player already
May be an overstatement
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:14 pm to brgfather129
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Not really...He is adjusting his cup with one foot out of the batter's box.
Winner
Posted on 2/21/15 at 3:57 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
and what was Hinkie doing trading one of their best draft picks in KJ McDaniels?
Posted on 2/21/15 at 5:31 pm to hsfolk
Embiid and Noel have injury concerns
Drafting Okafor gives them a nice trio at PF/C for depth
The bigger concern for Hinkie is finding the PG and the team leader through the draft or FA/trades
Drafting Okafor gives them a nice trio at PF/C for depth
The bigger concern for Hinkie is finding the PG and the team leader through the draft or FA/trades
Posted on 2/21/15 at 5:50 pm to hsfolk
McDaniels turned down the standard second round pick deal when he was drafted and signed a one year deal IIRC. He's already expressed his frustration with the team (or was that his mom?) so it's likely he wouldn't have re-signed anyway.
As for MCW his offensive efficiency has been absolutely putrid and they are impossibly bad offensively with him on the court. He could be a decent piece on a team where he isn't expected to carry the offense (probably not as long as his 3pt shot remains busted) but the 76ers were smart to go ahead and move on while they could still get good value.
As for MCW his offensive efficiency has been absolutely putrid and they are impossibly bad offensively with him on the court. He could be a decent piece on a team where he isn't expected to carry the offense (probably not as long as his 3pt shot remains busted) but the 76ers were smart to go ahead and move on while they could still get good value.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 5:55 pm to imraged
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but the 76ers were smart to go ahead and move on while they could still get good value.
Perhaps playing with more non-DLeaguers would have raised his value.
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