Started By
Message

American Olympic dominance owed, in part, to Title IX

Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:52 am
Posted by 23hella
STL
Member since Feb 2014
1234 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 12:52 am
LINK
Thought I'd share this npr article since so many people on this site hate Title IX
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20826 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 1:49 am to
Probably has just as much to do with how much money we have.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27295 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:00 am to
We could also dominate even more if we did like the Chinese and forced people to train for particular sports from the time they are kids.

Doesn't mean it's right.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13493 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 5:45 pm to
So what is going to happen when title IX and the transgendered movement collide in a vast liberal train wreck. Does a biological male who identifies as a transgender lesbian who can dunk get a female scholarship? And does he/she get to play on our female basketball Olympic team? The possibilities are mind blowing!
Posted by JETigER
LSU 2011 National Champions
Member since Dec 2003
7081 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:26 pm to
Title 9 gives every athlete 5 condoms at the beginning of each semester? Or gives every girl 7 condoms and every guy 3 condoms so it averages out to 5.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:33 pm to
False.

It's because we don't cut women's clitoris off...keep them in beekeeper suits...make them slaves...let them be educated...etc.

It's because women are free here.
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
9810 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:04 pm to
i think women in US have an easier playing field then other men do. less parity, women in other countries dont have the same resources. look at the indian gymnast


so the USWNT isnt that good
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3254 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 7:57 pm to
No it is not.

LINK

Long story short, many of the women athletes are already world class prior to college where Title IX kicks in.

Plus, the decline of doping has led to improved results for US athletes compared to the athletes from Russia, former East Germany, etc.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 10:11 pm
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:10 pm to
If you don't also include the American taxpayer, regular Joe Blow in footing the bill for a large part of the global Olympic effort you're not telling the whole story.

How many participants from foreign countries either went to American universities on scholarship (mostly state schools), or were 2nd and 3rd tier Olympic caliber athletes from the United States that competed for other countries due to their heritage or naturalized dual citizenship?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68310 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:07 pm to
I have always thought title ix was needed and helped women a lot. But now it is outdated and actually holds mens sports back. At least at the collegiate level.

Maybe I'm wrong, but LSU wouldn't shut down women sports if title ix went away.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 10:11 pm
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27289 posts
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:08 pm to
Great article.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66275 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 1:23 am to
Or you could argue it has hurt men's sports by depriving them of scholarships in sports like wrestling gymnastics soccer etc...
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35395 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 3:07 am to
The unique and broad scale US university system has definitely helped the rest of the world.

quote:

There are 1.13 million foreign students in the U.S., That represents a 14% increase over last year, nearly 50% more than in 2010 and 85% more than in 2005.


US universities have been become global training grounds on a grand scale. We educate the world and train the best athletes who compete for their home country.

I mean, 23 medals for Stanford alone is half of Germany. If you added up Standford, Cal, USC, Florida, they best China.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
98815 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 7:17 am to
quote:

I have always thought title ix was needed and helped women a lot. But now it is outdated and actually holds mens sports back. At least at the collegiate level.


I've always held the opinion that the scholarship balance has always been out of whack because of certain sports that require an extraordinary amount of scholarships compared to other programs (i.e. football). And I'm not a big fan of partial funding for baseball with full funding for softball because of that scholarship imbalance. There definitely needs to be some revisions.

That all said, I wouldn't get rid of Title IX all together. I've seen far too many women benefit from it and IMO we're better as a population for it.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50227 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:50 am to
American female dominance may owe something to Title 9.

Our decline in men's gymnastics and wrestling are directly linked to it, as well. Men's soccer is also suffering. Why would anyone encourage their male children to pursue these sports? If he isn't a prodigy, he won't even get a scholarship. On the other hand, I am pushing all kinds of lame sports on my daughters. Soccer, track, even basketball. All they have to be is decent in one of the sports women really don't care about (all of them), and have good grades, and they will probably get a scholarship somewhere. I have a friend who's daughter got a track scholarship, and she doesn't even run with the team anymore. They kept her on scholarship simply so they could meet their Title 9 quota because she has a good GPA. It's really that easy.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 9:58 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50227 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:55 am to
quote:

That all said, I wouldn't get rid of Title IX all together. I've seen far too many women benefit from it and IMO we're better as a population for it.


I would be okay with Title 9 if they would provide an exception for football, but they will never do that. Removing football from the scholarship count would result in women's programs being cut even with the increase in men's programs, and they know that. The reality is that they know no one cares about women's sports, not even most women. You could absolutely kiss most women's bowling teams goodbye if this happened. I bet many schools would also love to get rid of their also-ran women's basketball programs.

It's outrageous that cheerleading doesn't count as a sport while we're forcing programs to match the full number of football scholarships.
This post was edited on 8/24/16 at 9:57 am
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
7994 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:38 am to
quote:

I've always held the opinion that the scholarship balance has always been out of whack because of certain sports that require an extraordinary amount of scholarships compared to other programs (i.e. football). And I'm not a big fan of partial funding for baseball with full funding for softball because of that scholarship imbalance. There definitely needs to be some revisions.

That all said, I wouldn't get rid of Title IX all together. I've seen far too many women benefit from it and IMO we're better as a population for it.


One proposal I've seen that I think could work was the following:
- Remove all FBS football programs from the scholarship balance count
- If a program is net-positive in income, then remove it from the scholarship balance count. This would remove a lot of D1 men's basketball programs, some D1 women's basketball programs (UConn, some ACC programs, etc.), and some baseball programs (a fair bit of the SEC, some of the ACC and Big XII, some of the PAC XII). You'd also remove random powerhouses like Iowa wrestling or Penn State women's volleyball.
- Enforce a scholarship gender balance over all other sports
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50227 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

- If a program is net-positive in income, then remove it from the scholarship balance count. This would remove a lot of D1 men's basketball programs, some D1 women's basketball programs (UConn, some ACC programs, etc.), and some baseball programs (a fair bit of the SEC, some of the ACC and Big XII, some of the PAC XII). You'd also remove random powerhouses like Iowa wrestling or Penn State women's volleyball.


I like this idea. I doubt it would get much traction, though. I wish more of the functions funded with government funds would take an approach like this.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 8:20 pm to
Feminists don't want equality, they want preference.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 8/24/16 at 8:41 pm to
No shite. It's one of the biggest reasons our women's soccer team has won 3 World Cups.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 2Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram