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1920's instructional video (baseball) featuring Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:07 pm
Emanski>Ruth
I know the game has changed, but the video is still
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both Ruth and Cobb look the opposite of fundamentally sound during the brief two-minute, 28-second clip. It appears at least some of the footage was taken during batting practice, and it's during those swings that two of baseball's greatest hitters looked completely and impossibly off-balance and undisciplined.
However, quick messages that flash across the screen before certain swings seem to suggest that no, these are exactly what sound and productive swings are supposed to look like.
For example, at 0:53, a message reading "Why is Babe Ruth still the home run king?" comes across before Ruth mistimes a swing and pops it straight up on the infield. A swing so lacking, if his name was Willie Mays Hayes and his manager was Lou Brown, he would have been doing 20 push ups on the spot.
I know the game has changed, but the video is still
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:19 pm to LSU Piston
This is why it is silly when people suggest that players from a long time ago would be great players today if you put them in a time machine and inserted them into the league today.
They were good in their own era, but would be terrible today.
They were good in their own era, but would be terrible today.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:20 pm to LSU Piston
looks like whoever made the video didn't have enough money to film enough to get decent footage.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:22 pm to PrimeTime Money
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They were good in their own era, but would be terrible today.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:29 pm to LSU Piston
I saw this yesterday on yahoo. Pretty cool
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:32 pm to PrimeTime Money
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They were good in their own era, but would be terrible today.
You got all that from a 2 minute video of guys warming up?
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:36 pm to RedHawk
Nobody ever pops up during warm ups in todays game brah
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:40 pm to fightingtiger2335
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Nobody ever pops up during warm ups in todays game brah
I'm pretty sure you are being sarcastic, but even during the HR derby they pop up behind the plate all the time.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:40 pm to fightingtiger2335
Did it show them trying to make throws from the outfield into a trash can? And was Fred Mcgriff also in the video?
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:43 pm to RedHawk
No, I got that from common sense. Videos like this where guys have bad form just confirm it.
They could get away with that stuff back then when they faced pitching that was worse than high schoolers today.
They could get away with that stuff back then when they faced pitching that was worse than high schoolers today.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:47 pm to LSU Piston
If Ruth played in modern times he wouldn't be a fat arse out of shape cigar smoker.
Imagine if that dude cared about his body.
Imagine if that dude cared about his body.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:47 pm to PrimeTime Money
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they faced pitching that was worse than high schoolers today.
Bob Feller would win the Cy Young if he pitched in today's game
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:57 pm to Rouge
quote:They had pitchers that pitched the entire game, often including extra innings.
they faced pitching that was worse than high schoolers today.
Babe Ruth pitched 14 innings in a World Series game. How many big hitters today could also pitch?
Babey Ruth:
ERA – Earned Run Average (2.28 career):
#1 in ERA in the American League (AL) in 1916.
15th overall for career ERA.
Wins (65 career):
Top 3 in the AL in 2 of his 5 full seasons as a pitcher.
Won the most games of any left-handed pitcher in the Majors from 1915-17.
Win/Loss% (.671 career):
12th on the list for best career win/loss percentage.
Strikeouts:
Top 5 in the AL in 2 of his 5 full seasons as a pitcher.
Shutouts:
#1 in the AL in 1916.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:57 pm to PrimeTime Money
Josh Hamilton won the MVP a few years ago and the dude swings for the fences with giant hacks at every single pitch.
and
at ripping the pitching they faced when they were doing doing vs pitchers on mounds that were upwards of 5-10 inches taller than today, didn't get body armor or even a helmet making it legit dangerous to crowd the plate, didn't switch to new balls every time it went into play, and pitchers could easily scuff balls w/o getting caught, as well as having to play games after going hundreds of miles overnight on a train. hell, one could easily say a bunch of pitchers today wouldn't stand a chance back then b/c their arms would fall off w/what they would be asked to do.
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:29 pm to PrimeTime Money
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No, I got that from common sense. Videos like this where guys have bad form just confirm it.
Apparently you have no common sense. How did you get bad form from that. Seems like Babe and Ty could get leverage with their bodies and place the fat part of the bat on the ball. Every ball player has their own swing, but in the end all that matters is are you able to to make good contact with force.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:38 pm to chinhoyang
quote:That doesn't help your argument. How effective do you think a pitcher is in inning 14?
They had pitchers that pitched the entire game, often including extra innings.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:39 pm to PrimeTime Money
Not to mention an entire race of players couldn't play
Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:45 pm to Dr RC
You're living in fantasy land if you think guys back then who smoked and drank in the dugout facing pitchers who pitched as many innings as they did over 90 years ago are better than ballplayers today who are groomed from a young age to play baseball with 90 years of improvements in everything from technique to training to nutrition, to sports medicine, etc.
Players back then used heavy bats because they could because the pitching isn't what it is now.
Players today could never use a bat that heavy with the pitching now-a-days.
Everything has advanced from the 1920's. Why would you think ballplayers were better 90 years ago?
Players back then used heavy bats because they could because the pitching isn't what it is now.
Players today could never use a bat that heavy with the pitching now-a-days.
Everything has advanced from the 1920's. Why would you think ballplayers were better 90 years ago?
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 2/13/15 at 2:32 pm to LSU Piston
I don't know how you can draw the conclusions that Cobb and Ruth were not fundamentally sound from two swings apiece in batting practice. Cobb and Ruth may have been intentionally swinging at every pitch. So it is possible they could look off-balance and undisciplined if the pitches were not in their wheel houses.
Here are some others analyzing Ruth's swing. LINK LINK LINK All of these guys are complimentary of Ruth's swing.
Here are some others analyzing Ruth's swing. LINK LINK LINK All of these guys are complimentary of Ruth's swing.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 2:42 pm to Dr RC
quote:Of course they would. Pitchers today are way too powerful and create way too much torque for their ligaments to sustain that kind of usage. That's actually evidence that they were less challenging back then when they were able to pitch that much. It's much harder to hit against a new dynamo every inning who's ripping off high-90s fastballs and low-90s sliders.
a bunch of pitchers today wouldn't stand a chance back then b/c their arms would fall off w/what they would be asked to do.
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 2:43 pm
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