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re: 1140 Yards, 11 Touchdowns, 0 Interceptions, beat Manning AND Brady on the road
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:48 am to Patrick_Bateman
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:48 am to Patrick_Bateman
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He played his best when it mattered most
so why did he suck it up in the regular season? for the lulz?
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Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:49 am to Patrick_Bateman
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He played his best when it mattered most. The thread title highlights that fact.
That's certainly true, but you can't let that fact make you forget his consistency issues. He has a great arm, and at times looks like one of the best quarterbacks in football. Then the next week, he looks like one of the worst. If he played like he did in the Super Bowl all of the time, then certainly unload the truck and pay the man.
He doesn't though, and if I'm in the front office I'd be nervous about paying him big.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:51 am to Patrick_Bateman
If they franchise him, he gets 14.6 million--but another team can get him by dealing 2 #1s. If he's elite, as some here claim, then someone is bound to do that, right? To prevent that, they can put the Exclusive Franchise Tag on him, which would pay him over 20 million next year, unless members of the top five redo their deals. To top five right now are Brady, the Mannings, Stafford, and Big Ben. I can see three, maybe four of those guys redoing their deals, in addition to guys like Brees and maybe Rodgers. Still, he'd be looking at around 18-20 million with the Exclusive deal.
Now, do you think Flacco is worth 18-20 million next year?
Now, do you think Flacco is worth 18-20 million next year?
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:52 am to josh336
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The ravens won those games, not just flacco. But go ahead Baltimore, pay him Drew Brees money. Get caught up in the moment.
This.
Flacco had a great playoff run but once again, if Rahim Moore doesn't go full retard, we aren't even having this discussion.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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the ravens just got into the playoffs again without a top QB
and they got hot and won a super bowl
the ravens prove you don't need a top QB to win a title
joe flacco had 2 of the worst games in NFL history this year
Flacco is a top QB. He's consistently won playoff games against top competition on the road. He's the biggest reason why they beat the Broncos and 49ers. The Ravens gave up 35 and 29 points in those games. They don't beat those teams with an Alex Smith-type QB at the helm.
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that team won a super bowl with trent dilfer and then upgraded teh QB position and didn't win another one
False. The Ravens won a Super Bowl in 2000 with the greatest defense of the last 25 years. They got Pro Bowl QB Elvis Grbac the following season BUT Jamal Lewis got hurt and the Ravens were forced to rely on the likes of 33-year-old Terry Allen and Jason Brookins to carry their running game. With zero concerns about the Ravens rushing attack, the opponents were able to key on stopping Grbac and the Ravens passing game and the team faltered. Grbac left after that one season and the Ravens made a mess of the QB position by starting the likes of Chris Redman, Jeff Blake, Kyle Boller, Anthony Wright, an OLD Steve McNair over the next six seasons. The Ravens didn't win a single playoff game from 2001-2007 despite the fact that their defense was significantly better and more talented than the Flacco-era Ravens. That just shows how much impact Flacco has made on the team.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Just to be clear, here's what I believe: Flacco deserves a big contract, and he's one of the top QBs in the league. I'd probably go 5. Eli, 6. Flacco (behind the big four of Brees Brady Manning Rodgers, in that order). Big Ben/RGIII a close 7.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:55 am to Patrick_Bateman
Yep. You clearly believe that objective, reasonable analysis is "hatred".
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:57 am to Bench McElroy
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Flacco is a top QB.
by what objective, individual measure?
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He's consistently won playoff games
teams win playoff games
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They don't beat those teams with an Alex Smith-type QB at the helm.
alex smith is a more highly rated passer than flacco the past couple years
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. They got Pro Bowl QB Elvis Grbac the following season BUT Jamal Lewis got hurt and the Ravens were forced to rely on the likes of 33-year-old Terry Allen and Jason Brookins to carry their running game. With zero concerns about the Ravens rushing attack, the opponents were able to key on stopping Grbac and the Ravens passing game and the team faltered. Grbac left after that one season and the Ravens made a mess of the QB position by starting the likes of Chris Redman, Jeff Blake, Kyle Boller, Anthony Wright, an OLD Steve McNair over the next six seasons.
grbac and mcnair > dilfer
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The Ravens didn't win a single playoff game from 2001-2007 despite the fact that their defense was significantly better and more talented than the Flacco-era Ravens. That just shows how much impact Flacco has made on the team.
there are quite a bit of differences in both the NFL and the ravens than just flacco
if the refs don't give the ravens 3 slanted judgment calls on the final 2 drives and the ravens lose, does this change flacco's rating? if the 49ers don't call shitty plays on the goaline and they win, does this change flacco's rating? if boldin doesn't make about 4 amazing catches last night, does that change flacco's rating?
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:58 am to Patrick_Bateman
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I'd probably go 5. Eli, 6. Flacco (behind the big four of Brees Brady Manning Rodgers, in that order). Big Ben/RGIII a close 7.
by YOUR definition, how can big ben, who has 2 SBs, be behind flacco, who has one?
and how in the hell can RG3 be #7 when he hasn't won shite?
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:58 am to Patrick_Bateman
You think Flacco is better than Ben?
Posted on 2/4/13 at 8:59 am to Patrick_Bateman
you have to factor in caldwell when discussing Flacco... it's obvious is much better without cameron calling the plays. Flacco withoug cam cameron is a top flight QB, IMO... and definitely deserves a solid new contract.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:01 am to Duke
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you can't let that fact make you forget his consistency issues
I guess it depends on what stat(s) you use to measure consistency. If we're talking W/L's, then Flacco has won more games in his first 5 NFL seasons than any QB in history, and he's the only QB to win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons. So, he's pretty consistent in those regards. Sure, wins are team wins, but without a QB, even the best of teams can't win. Other positions are more replaceable.
If you're talking completion percentage, YPG, QBR, etc., then maybe he's not as consistent.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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for 3 games?
Yes for 3 games. 3 massive playoff games. One being the super bowl no big deal.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:02 am to Patrick_Bateman
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If we're talking W/L's,
team stat, not an individual stat
nobody should be talking W/Ls when discussing an individual player
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in his first 5 NFL seasons than any QB in history,
which is why i argue they should invest in a cheap/young QB option to be the next flacco and deal flacco to a team for draft picks. the team has already shown what it can do with a mediocre QB
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f you're talking completion percentage, YPG, QBR, etc., then maybe he's not as consistent.
oh so if we use measures of his actual consistency, we may be able to say he's not consistent? awesome
This post was edited on 2/4/13 at 9:03 am
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:03 am to KillerNut9
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He played lights out no doubt. It will be hilarious to watch him fall back to average next season when the Ravens pay him big money.
Not sure I understand crap like this. First off, all you idiots saying its only 3 games. No it isn't. He is the only QB in the history of the NFL to make it to the post season in his first 5 seasons. His fifth season culminating in a Super Bowl MVP award. The comparison to Sanchez is beyond stupid.
Why do you want the guy to fail so bad? For your own personal gain so you can come jump on the MSB and brag about how you told everyone he wasn't very good? Your life must be pretty worthless to root so hard for a guy to just be average so you can be the guy that told everyone he wasn't good. Not sure why it would be so hilarious to watch him "fall back to average".
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:04 am to Jamede4
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3 massive playoff games. One being the super bowl no big deal.
it's still a small sample and they obviously got hot
if they acquired an equally mediocre QB, it's just as likely that the team gets hot again at some point...for a lot less money
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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by YOUR definition, how can big ben, who has 2 SBs, be behind flacco, who has one?
I thought about that after making that post. I'd probably take it back, and go Eli Ben Flacco. It's close. And RGIII is just a pick for the future; I couldn't think of another QB I'd rather have after those first 7.
This post was edited on 2/4/13 at 9:08 am
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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If we're talking W/L's,
team stat, not an individual stat
nobody should be talking W/Ls when discussing an individual player
Well this is just wrong. W/L records are discussed for pitchers, QBs, and goalies all the time. If you don't understand that then you don't understand sports very well. Obviously they are winning with the help from their team, but the record is most certainly talked about.
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:06 am to PurpleAndGold86
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He is the only QB in the history of the NFL to make it to the post season in his first 5 seasons.
he's the first QB to be on a team for 5 straight years to start his career and his TEAM made the playoffs
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The comparison to Sanchez is beyond stupid.
the only difference is the talent level around sanchez has fallen off dramatically and the jets didn't get lucky late
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Why do you want the guy to fail so bad?
nobody wants him to fail
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. Not sure why it would be so hilarious to watch him "fall back to average".
because the Ravens's payroll/cap situation would be fricked based on emotional thinking
Posted on 2/4/13 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's still a small sample and they obviously got hot
His 5-year NFL career is NOT a small sample size! He's won at least one playoff game EVERY year!
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