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Would you invest one of your retirement accounts with a friend?

Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:43 am
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:43 am
So I have a Roth IRA and it's invested with this guy who does my grandma and my parents stuff and it's with Edward Jones. Well, one of my really good friends is an advisor with a pretty big firm here in the states and he knows where my investments are and what not because we talk money somewhat often.

Well he's casually brought up the idea that I move the Roth from the guy I've been using, who I honestly have never even met in person and only use him because my family does, to him.

I always kind of just laugh it off, but I kind of feel like that isn't a smart idea at all. Isn't this one of those things where if I did invest with him the possibility of a friendship being ruined is there? I guess he could get me somewhat rich too for retirement, but I just feel like that's a risky move.

Am I crazy and thinking to much into this or what?
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:58 am to
Is he offering better terms or is he just fishing for a larger base to get fees from?

I mean it's kind of a catch, the adage of business and friends/family is always a strong cautionary tale.....but most of the best managers are closed because everyone wants to put their money in there resulting in the fund becoming too big to manage. So the only way in is networking of sone sort.
Posted by BeerMoney
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:08 pm to
How happy are you with your existing results?

If it feels wrong I wouldn't do it. I personally avoid family/friend partnerships. I've never had a good experience with it.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

Is he offering better terms or is he just fishing for a larger base to get fees from?


We never have gotten that deep into conversation about it to discuss terms. Is that a question I should maybe ask?

Also, I feel like it would be a total dick move to just yank this thing from the guy it's been with and then just be like, "Oh yeah, sucks dude. I don't know you so here go my thousands of dollars. See ya."
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:21 pm to
Well yeah.

The only way to approach this is to look at the offerings and numbers without considering the names.

Although the impression I'm getting from him selling the idea but not actually selling the product makes me want to run far far away from it. And the peer pressure angle used is a speed multiplier.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:23 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:43 pm to
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Also, I feel like it would be a total dick move to just yank this thing from the guy it's been with and then just be like, "Oh yeah, sucks dude. I don't know you so here go my thousands of dollars. See ya."


This statement is problematic, making the best decision about investing your money is more important than the feelings of someone you don't really know. Unless you are one of the guy's largest clients he won't give it 5 seconds of thought and neither should you, it is just business.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

This statement is problematic, making the best decision about investing your money is more important than the feelings of someone you don't really know. Unless you are one of the guy's largest clients he won't give it 5 seconds of thought and neither should you, it is just business.


Thanks for this. I would think that I'm definitely not a large account and he'll likely be dead by the time I cash out regardless.
Posted by STB
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:14 pm to
You could liquidate it and potentially pitch in to bring KDB to city.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:29 pm to
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Thanks for this. I would think that I'm definitely not a large account and he'll likely be dead by the time I cash out regardless.


You said you never met him and you are only with him because your family is with him, right? If that's true, you don't need to feel an ounce of remorse about leaving him if you feel that is best. Why? Cause what has he done to get to know you? As your adviser, he should be, oh, "advising" you on a regular basis. He should be meeting with you - not your parents, but you - at least once a year. Sounds to me like he's not doing much to earn his fee from you.

As to moving the account to your friend, is he actually going to make the investment decisions, or is he just housing the account and you make all the decisions?

I'm a CPA and I have a number of friends that have become clients over the years, and I bend over backwards to make sure I protect them and do good work for them, because I don't want to do anything that ruins my friendship.

I also have two good friends who have asked and begged me to take them as clients, and I absolutely refuse to, because I know they pull some shady stuff with their finances that I don't want my name anywhere near!!
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:46 pm to
I have ROTH account with a friend. Edward Jones guy. He used to be a golf pro. I'll probably let it sit, but I wouldn't do it again. I make one small annual deposit of $3,600, and it is as self directed as a full service account could be.

I wouldn't let friendship overly influence you.

Having said this, my attorney, insurance guy and other professionals are very good at what they do, and they are my friends. After the fact. The Edward Jones/golfer guy was my friend pre business relationship, and still is, but from a results perspective, if I wasn't telling him what to do, it would be catastrophic.

When I've hired friends and/or family, this to has proven to be mistakes.

My experience is do not do this unless there is a very compelling business reason to do so. The number of times I've tried to be the nice guy and help people that have resulted in my getting f...ed is too numerous for me to recommend anything else.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:53 pm to
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ou said you never met him and you are only with him because your family is with him, right? If that's true, you don't need to feel an ounce of remorse about leaving him if you feel that is best.


Never met him in person, no. But he does email or call me a few times a year. He's called both today, due to the recent stumbling in the market and when all the Greece shite hit the fan. I'm 25 so I guess he's just calling to make sure I'm not worrying. I only have like $15k in there and I know The market will readjust itself, but other than that we don't talk weekly or anything.

My buddy is at North Star Financial and he's doing well. Just got promoted to their office in Cinci so I don't think he's shitty at his job. I guess I'll have to talk numbers with him.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 6:03 pm to
His job and his success are based on generating income for the firm and himself. Just keep that in mind.

With that said, I wouldn't invest with someone based (solely) on friendship, but neither would I avoid them. If things go south, it certainly could put your friendship in jeopardy. So if you're BOTH clear on that, and he's got some ideas that meet with your goals (taking fees and commissions into account), let your conscience be your guide.

As for the Edward Jones guy, as has been said whenever these topics come up, he's a big boy. He'll be OK. Always make it about business and don't make it about personal feelings or emotions.
Posted by 3morereps
The Gym
Member since Jun 2015
6735 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 6:56 pm to
If you've never even met your advisor, I would absolutely switch to your friend or vanguard. If you end up with your buddy just make sure his fees are competitive.
Posted by tigers1956
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:59 am to
Keep friends and work seperate ....it's for the best
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:44 pm to
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