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What is an average, safe % of monthly post tax income to spend on home.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:45 pm
I currently spend less than 10% of my monthly post tax income on mortgage. Wife and I are starting to look at houses.
My salary is about 3 times what it was when we bought our current house.
Both the wife and I are cheap and we like having a very affordable mortgage.
What is a safe, normal % to spend on mortgage?
TIA
My salary is about 3 times what it was when we bought our current house.
Both the wife and I are cheap and we like having a very affordable mortgage.
What is a safe, normal % to spend on mortgage?
TIA
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:59 pm to white perch
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Both the wife and I are cheap and we like having a very affordable mortgage.
I would stay at the lower end of the range. Some folks say 28% of gross, but I think gross income is a meaningless number. I think 15 to 20 percent of net is good, and you should stay at the lower end of that, based on your post, IMHO.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:13 pm to white perch
I guess mine comes out to around 16% of net income each month. I feel like we have a very comfortable and affordable home. That will improve drastically in July, but that's debt killing time.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:18 pm to white perch
20% is a safe mark of mortgage to post tax net income
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:20 pm to Ace Midnight
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Some folks say 28% of gross, but I think gross income is a meaningless number. I think 15 to 20 percent of net is good, and you should stay at the lower end of that, based on your post, IMHO.
I would feel so poor if I spent 28% of gross on housing.
Dave ramsey says 25% of net for the top end. Sounds reasonable to me, I would still feel poor.
I think it also depends on how much you put down, what other debt you have, how old are your kids, etc.
I would be pretty nervous if I had a lot of net worth tied up in my house and a high mortgage payment.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:28 pm to Hawkeye95
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I would feel so poor if I spent 28% of gross on housing.
Dave ramsey says 25% of net for the top end. Sounds reasonable to me, I would still feel poor.
I think it also depends on how much you put down, what other debt you have, how old are your kids, etc.
I would be pretty nervous if I had a lot of net worth tied up in my house and a high mortgage payment
Agree with all of this
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:31 pm to Hawkeye95
I think we were talking in the other thread about how much $100k really is - if someone followed the 28% (some banks qualify you at higher, BTW) - that's $28k per annum on a house.
$2,333.33 - American money - every month. Now, that borrows ~$475k for 30 years, but still - almost $80 a day.
So, there goes any thought of saving money, retiring or whatever on that $100k salary.
$2,333.33 - American money - every month. Now, that borrows ~$475k for 30 years, but still - almost $80 a day.
So, there goes any thought of saving money, retiring or whatever on that $100k salary.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:43 pm to Ace Midnight
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So, there goes any thought of saving money, retiring or whatever on that $100k salary.
well I think that depends on what else you spend your money on. But yeah, that is a lot of cheese to spend on housing.
btw, I just calculated that our "net" spend on housing is almost 30%. But I removed savings from that. So (Mortgage+insruance+taxes)/(Gross-Taxes-Savings) is close to 30%.
We do save a healthy percentage of our income
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:48 pm to Hawkeye95
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btw, I just calculated that our "net" spend on housing is almost 30%. But I removed savings from that.
My mortgage is right about 12% of my gross and 20% of my net, but I omit retirement savings from the net calculation. Even on a good day, I wouldn't be much above 18 or 20 percent of gross.
The only exception might be - I might overleverage into "Forever House" in a couple of years, if my current house gets flipped, debt free, into rental income. But, that would ultimately be a wash. It would be a form of debt consolidation into the family residence.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:03 pm to white perch
Wife and I were at 18% and I felt it was a little high. Personal preference would be 15%.
Currently going thru a separation, where lucky me, gets stuck with the full mortgage every month. Has me at 37%.
Can't wait to sell this house and downsize.
Currently going thru a separation, where lucky me, gets stuck with the full mortgage every month. Has me at 37%.
Can't wait to sell this house and downsize.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:29 pm to white perch
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What is a safe, normal % to spend on mortgage?
I just got married, and my wife just got a higher paying job right before the wedding. We're at 16% of gross on mortgage + PMI. It's too early to tell how much I like it, but I know for damn sure that I wasn't thrilled about our situation when we were at a little more that 21% of gross.
That being said, my employer gives me a pretty good bonus, so technically it's lower than 16% gross yearly, but I can't rely on it every year, so obviously we operate our budget on base salary. You would think a 5% difference was no big deal, but staying within our budget at 21% was a bitch if any unexpected expense was happened upon.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:31 pm to white perch
I'm at about 27% of net and 18% of gross. I don't live in too much or too little house for what I make. So I think that's about normal.
No wife though. Just me. Also, I think the majority of this board would fall into the "not normal" category in a good/conservative way.
No wife though. Just me. Also, I think the majority of this board would fall into the "not normal" category in a good/conservative way.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:34 pm to white perch
depends on how much you spend that isn't on your home. If you travel a lot or love to spend money, that percentage will be smaller than someone who likes to stay home and doesn't spend a lot.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:04 pm to notsince98
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depends on how much you spend that isn't on your home. If you travel a lot or love to spend money, that percentage will be smaller than someone who likes to stay home and doesn't spend a lot.
I agree. First create a budget and see what you can afford. Don't just go by some percentage. What are your monthly expenditures? Include quarterly and annual expenses, contingencies for repairs and medical, vacations, Christmas, SAVINGS, charities, etc. The bigger the house the larger the up keep and unplanned costs. Once you have the number of what you can afford, stay as far below it as you can.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:38 pm to white perch
I spent about 18 percent of our paycheck. By paycheck, I mean after all taxes, 401k contributions, wife's pension contributions, health insurance and all those type of deduction. I do not feel house poor. I feel comfortable. I think above 25% I would feel less comfortable.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:03 pm to white perch
We spend around 12% of gross income on PITI.
At some point, keeping up with the Joneses is pointless.
I don't like to lock up all of my money in a house.
At some point, keeping up with the Joneses is pointless.
I don't like to lock up all of my money in a house.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 8:42 pm to makersmark1
Percent is quite useless because it is all relative to earnings. 30% of 20,000 a month still leaves a large chunk of cash for disposable income. 30% of 3000 and disposable is tight.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 7:16 am to lynxcat
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Percent is quite useless because it is all relative to earnings. 30% of 20,000 a month still leaves a large chunk of cash for disposable income. 30% of 3000 and disposable is tight.
You are right.
At some income level, it is probably better to rent until you save enough and increase your income enough to purchase a decent house.
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