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Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:14 pm
Posted by CQQ
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:14 pm
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Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24118 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:02 pm to
You have a great match.

They give 3% and you don't have to do anything.

If you give 3% then they give another 6%.

Looks like the matching may start after 12 months of employment?
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 9:22 am
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:18 pm to
They probably offer for the Roth for the one year waiting period and those who don't want to contribute. Switch that 3% to the 401k instead of the Roth ASAP
Posted by CQQ
Member since Feb 2006
17048 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 11:28 pm to
It's in the Roth 401k now. Not sure if I'm asking my question clearly.

At this point, I am eligible for the entire 9% match. I am hung up on the part about it being pre-tax. Makes me think what I'm enrolled in doesn't qualify for full match.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 11:34 pm
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 12:56 am to
I didn't read it but most plans will alway match pretax but you can contribute post tax and get the pretax match.

ETA: Read it all. This one is weird though. I would call to clarify.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 1:00 am
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 1:05 am to
I don't get why they would care. I don't see why it would help the plan's Erisa compliance testing or help the company's bottom line (could be missing something). If I were you, I'd advocate to the plan administrator to change that provision.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 1:11 am
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4071 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 1:10 am to
From reading that, you are correct; you get the match only on pre-tax contributions. Just devote enough to get the full match (3%), and if you're also seeking tax free growth, devote any further contributions to the Roth 401.

I wish that my company offered what you have. I don't know what funds your plan offers, but that's a sweet deal on the face of it.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 1:14 am to
It's fidelity.
Posted by GoldenD
Houston
Member since Jan 2015
928 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:32 am to
It says it'll contribute 3% of his pre-tax, or gross income, not necessarily where the contribution will go. However, usually it is a pre-tax contribution from the company. He can call to confirm, but I would switch the contribution to the normal 401k for the extra 6%.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82009 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 8:19 am to
That's a pretty good 401k match
Posted by CQQ
Member since Feb 2006
17048 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 8:30 am to
quote:

That's a pretty good 401k match


Oh yea, I know. I just want to make sure I'm understanding it correctly so I can take full advantage. I've switched it to pre-tax.
Posted by AnonymousTiger
Franklin, TN
Member since Jan 2012
4863 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:00 am to
My company only matches pretax and does nothing for post-tax contributions. I think a lot of companies do it this way.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17930 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:36 am to
quote:

My company only matches pretax and does nothing for post-tax contributions. I think a lot of companies do it this way.



That is how it has always been for my employers, too.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 2:08 pm to
Everyone matches pretax. Most plans will match Roth 401k contributions and not require your own to be pretax. I've seen a lot of plans.
Posted by coalbe923
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
139 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 2:12 pm to
It looks like the company has a nonelective safe harbor 3% and the match (awesome match btw!). Change your deferrals to pre-tax and get that match son!

Roth is just an added option (usually only added for owners) for plans to be cute and with the times.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
36924 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 2:48 pm to
Anything you company matches will hit the pre-tax side of your account. Even if your entire contribution is to the Roth side.

I don't get why the company cares if your contribution is to the pre-tax or the Roth side.

PS - I'm guessing you work for Citgo. If they are still offering that great of a plan, apparently the oil industry hasn't crapped out completely yet.
Posted by GoldenD
Houston
Member since Jan 2015
928 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:09 pm to
That's what his link says. Citgo is purely downstream so they should be doing really well right now.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

I don't get why the company cares if your contribution is to the pre-tax or the Roth side.


That was my question earlier. It's something I haven't seen before. Contributions from the employee don't help you on payroll costs and I don't know how it would affect the compliance testing for the plan.
Posted by Amory Blaine
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2015
17 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

I'm enrolled in the post tax (roth?) 401k


Someone better versed than me can probably clarify, but for a couple years I thought my "post-tax" contributions to my 401(k) were to a "Roth" 401(k)... they weren't. From what I understand, in the "post-tax" plan you contribute post-tax, but still have to pay tax on the gains (not contributions) when you withdraw at retirement. In a Roth 401(k) plan you contribute post tax, but pay no taxes when you withdraw.

I would double check how your plan works. If it's not a true Roth 401(k) I would switch to pre-tax no matter what the match situation is.
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