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The Millionaire Next Door: Discussion
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:03 pm
What is the board's opinion of the book The Millionaire Next Door? I want this to be open so both Pros and Cons.
I am not finished with the book yet, but the idea of save everything and not spending it is unhealthy in my mind. Maybe the message I am getting from the book is incorrect. I want to enjoy life while I am young and I am still able to, so I hope I am able to find a happy medium between being an over spender and over saver. What are your thoughts?
I am not finished with the book yet, but the idea of save everything and not spending it is unhealthy in my mind. Maybe the message I am getting from the book is incorrect. I want to enjoy life while I am young and I am still able to, so I hope I am able to find a happy medium between being an over spender and over saver. What are your thoughts?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:37 pm to Pintail
It's a book based on the classic confusion people have with causation and correlation. It's a fun read and interesting stories, but if you walk away thinking you need to act in conformity with the "millionaires" in the book, then you've fallen prey to a classic statistical lie.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:30 pm to Pintail
It seemed like the points he wanted to make could have been made in about 25 pages.
The book just repeats the same idea over and over
The book just repeats the same idea over and over
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:31 pm to Pintail
Try to do both. They are not mutually exclusive.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:52 pm to Pintail
Wealth is not built via savings it's built via leverage in real estate. When you put $30k down and finance a $100k home and you have 4 of them you're using $120k to buy $400k of properties which tenants then build your equity with. You pay down the homes,borrow against them,etc. if you want to be rich in this day, you're going to have to learn how to utilize your assets and leverage them properly to acquire more cash generating assets. Saving everything is a good start but wise usage of leverage of that cash is the key
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:52 pm to Pintail
As an academic, so I appreciate the late Dr. Stanley's research-based approach.
The book changed my approach to personal finance. I do the same things, but I search for deals and apply logic over emotion to more purchases. Most people do it on big purchases like homes and cars, but there's more.
I needed some new dress shoes. I like J&M's Italian line. The normal price for the shoe I like is $275. At one point in my life, I would have jumped online or gone to the store and paid $275. But here is what I did.
1. I went to Raise.com and purchased a $250 gift card for $200.
2. I paid $3 for a coupon book that gave me 10% off of my purchase. Since the gift card is a payment method, I can stack the discount.
3. I waited until they ran a significant sale to make the purchase. They ran 30% off last week.
So, the $275 shoes cost me $192.50, then I saved 10 percent with the coupon minus the $3 I paid for the coupon book. I paid $176.25 for a pair of shoes I normally would have paid $275 for.
But wait, I had a $250 gift card for $200. After tax, I still have $64.62 remaining on the card.
So instead of paying $294.25 (original price plus tax), I paid $200, got the same shoes, and have $64.62 toward a future purchase. I also earned $4 in cash back via my credit card.
That $158.87 saved invested over 30 years at 7% return is over $1300. I make hundreds of these decisions every year. Some are $20 savings, some (like vacations) are $2000 savings. That's the takeaway of MND.
Its overly analytical and its not for everyone, but I enjoy it. You can live a great life and save money. I save about a third of my income.
The book changed my approach to personal finance. I do the same things, but I search for deals and apply logic over emotion to more purchases. Most people do it on big purchases like homes and cars, but there's more.
I needed some new dress shoes. I like J&M's Italian line. The normal price for the shoe I like is $275. At one point in my life, I would have jumped online or gone to the store and paid $275. But here is what I did.
1. I went to Raise.com and purchased a $250 gift card for $200.
2. I paid $3 for a coupon book that gave me 10% off of my purchase. Since the gift card is a payment method, I can stack the discount.
3. I waited until they ran a significant sale to make the purchase. They ran 30% off last week.
So, the $275 shoes cost me $192.50, then I saved 10 percent with the coupon minus the $3 I paid for the coupon book. I paid $176.25 for a pair of shoes I normally would have paid $275 for.
But wait, I had a $250 gift card for $200. After tax, I still have $64.62 remaining on the card.
So instead of paying $294.25 (original price plus tax), I paid $200, got the same shoes, and have $64.62 toward a future purchase. I also earned $4 in cash back via my credit card.
That $158.87 saved invested over 30 years at 7% return is over $1300. I make hundreds of these decisions every year. Some are $20 savings, some (like vacations) are $2000 savings. That's the takeaway of MND.
Its overly analytical and its not for everyone, but I enjoy it. You can live a great life and save money. I save about a third of my income.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:08 pm to Pintail
the book has a ton of fallacies in it, but its an interesting read and has some good tips.
The wealth accumulator thing is a load of horseshite for a large portion of society, its really targeted for those in their late 40s. If you are younger than that, its always going to call you as under accumulator.
The wealth accumulator thing is a load of horseshite for a large portion of society, its really targeted for those in their late 40s. If you are younger than that, its always going to call you as under accumulator.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:14 pm to Pintail
I can tell you one thing, one of the professions listed of a millionaire was "rice farmer". Bout laughed my arse off at that one.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:03 pm to Pintail
Have not read it in many years, but I think of it often.
It pretty much recommended doing what I was already doing, so it was easy for me to like it. People who enjoy a more free-spending lifestyle often challenge it.
I never got a penny from parents or inheritance after school. I just started working for a paycheck with a couple grand in the bank, and modest student loans to pay.
I often wondered how my contemporaries with similar incomes lived like they did. One way was debt, but the book opened my eyes to how many adults still get a lot of financial help from parents and grandparents. They call it Economic Outpatient Care.
Granny pays private school tuition, and Pop takes them all to a resort for vacation, or maybe gives them his car when he's tired of it or buys an "investment" house they can live in. I started seeing that once I knew to look for it.
Nothing wrong with it, unless you let Granny hold you hostage by threatening to cut you off if you don't come to her house for Thanksgiving, cut the kid's hair, etc.
Or you don't save because Granny is your safety net if the transmission blows or you get laid off. Just blow your income and depend on her for bad times. If Granny cuts you off or dies w/o leaving you a lot, you are hosed.
It pretty much recommended doing what I was already doing, so it was easy for me to like it. People who enjoy a more free-spending lifestyle often challenge it.
I never got a penny from parents or inheritance after school. I just started working for a paycheck with a couple grand in the bank, and modest student loans to pay.
I often wondered how my contemporaries with similar incomes lived like they did. One way was debt, but the book opened my eyes to how many adults still get a lot of financial help from parents and grandparents. They call it Economic Outpatient Care.
Granny pays private school tuition, and Pop takes them all to a resort for vacation, or maybe gives them his car when he's tired of it or buys an "investment" house they can live in. I started seeing that once I knew to look for it.
Nothing wrong with it, unless you let Granny hold you hostage by threatening to cut you off if you don't come to her house for Thanksgiving, cut the kid's hair, etc.
Or you don't save because Granny is your safety net if the transmission blows or you get laid off. Just blow your income and depend on her for bad times. If Granny cuts you off or dies w/o leaving you a lot, you are hosed.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:38 pm to Pintail
quote:Indeed.
I am not finished with the book yet, but the idea of save everything and not spending it is unhealthy
The millionaire next door does not "save everything and not spend it" either. The concept is understanding what retirement needs will be, and not living day-to-day to strip into those. That's basically it.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:42 pm to NC_Tigah
I read it and picked up a copy at a discount store and gave it to my nephew.
We're both financially successful (whatever that means).
Thinking back on the book, I remember that buying quality was worth it, and I believe that.
Cars are a bad investment too.
I have a yuge investment library. One of the books that I really enjoyed and stood out from the others was THE CASH FLOW QUADRANT. It was what I had already figured out and was doing, but validated my actions.
We're both financially successful (whatever that means).
Thinking back on the book, I remember that buying quality was worth it, and I believe that.
Cars are a bad investment too.
I have a yuge investment library. One of the books that I really enjoyed and stood out from the others was THE CASH FLOW QUADRANT. It was what I had already figured out and was doing, but validated my actions.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:39 pm to anc
anc -- I buy a pair of Dockers shoes for $55 at Dillards every 2-3 years.
Watch cost $6 from Academy in 2003.
Wife cuts my hair. 2 pairs of pants for work, 4 white shirts and 2 blue (Jobs, Zuckerberg and Einstein wore the same clothes every day). I take a sandwich and orange for lunch.
Attend 3 Ole Miss games each year. Buy $20 tickets outside stadium 30 minutes to game time. Sit between the 40's on UM side.
Expect my cars to last 12 years - all 4 of them (kids drive 2). All were used, 50-70k miles when bought and all are white in color. Average price was $10,500. Tag is cheap, insurance is cheap.
Money made in the stock market and real estate. Thanks Merck, Wal-mart and Vanguard Health fund.
Watch cost $6 from Academy in 2003.
Wife cuts my hair. 2 pairs of pants for work, 4 white shirts and 2 blue (Jobs, Zuckerberg and Einstein wore the same clothes every day). I take a sandwich and orange for lunch.
Attend 3 Ole Miss games each year. Buy $20 tickets outside stadium 30 minutes to game time. Sit between the 40's on UM side.
Expect my cars to last 12 years - all 4 of them (kids drive 2). All were used, 50-70k miles when bought and all are white in color. Average price was $10,500. Tag is cheap, insurance is cheap.
Money made in the stock market and real estate. Thanks Merck, Wal-mart and Vanguard Health fund.
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