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The "Bank on Yourself" Concept

Posted on 9/10/15 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Chaplain
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Posted on 9/10/15 at 4:22 pm
Can any of you guys fill me in on this concept? How legit is it as a retirement vehicle? My father in law is swearing by this and I'm admittedly skeptical. Any info, positive or negative, would be helpful. FWIW, both my wife and I already have ROTH's through Vanguard for each of us and I have a 403b Vanguard account I contribute to as well. I have about $15,000 in a MM emergency fund and try to keep my balance in my checking at least above $5,000.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 4:24 pm to
It's a stupid ploy created by insurance salesmen to sell whole life policies.

It's been discussed here as nauseum and has always been shown to be inefficient.
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
2977 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:07 pm to
I think it can definitely work. But I would recommend only whole life.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:35 pm to
It is not a terribly efficient way to build a nest egg. That said, for someone who needs lots of handholding there are worse strategies out there. Like daytrading options based on the recommendations of some random guy online.

But for someone in that position a stupid easy but more effective plan is to just make sure you set aside money from every paycheck to buy into a target year retirement fund.

ETA: The really important thing with *any* savings plan is to make regular contributions to your nest egg. The "Bank on Yourself" idea does do that at least, but returns on investment are lacking. You can do better.

There are some reasons why using insurance as a retirement vehicle can help, for example, if you think you might need to shelter assets from things like bankruptcy, alimony, need-based scholarships for your kids, that sort of thing. But it still takes lots of careful consideration given the lack of investment performance.
This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 7:50 pm
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37692 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:01 pm to
Cliff notes for those of us that have no idea what that is?
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:02 pm to
Cliffs Notes

At a *very* high level, the idea is that you direct your savings into a retirement vehicle that you can borrow from whenever you want. Since you're paying yourself back, it's all good and the insurance company simply adopts a very conservative investment policy. Most of the ads play on fears of market fluctuation, after all.

I'd argue that this isn't hard to do on your own without the added fees and loads. OTOH, some people really have no idea what to do with money they've socked away and might be better off letting someone else invest it safely. For a fee, of course.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10874 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:38 am to
Most people can do this with a 401k for little or no fees. Just the interest charges which go back into the 401k.
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
2977 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 10:10 am to
Edited. I think I misunderstood the previous post. A major difference between borrowing from a 401k and life insurance is that when the funds are withdrawn from the 401k they are no longer participating, or earning interest. That can be a big advantage to a life insurance policy.
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 10:39 am
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

Edited. I think I misunderstood the previous post. A major difference between borrowing from a 401k and life insurance is that when the funds are withdrawn from the 401k they are no longer participating, or earning interest. That can be a big advantage to a life insurance policy.


It is my understanding that when you borrow from a life insurance policy you are then charged interest on the amount borrowed, but the interest rate is about the same as the investment return earned by the cash portion of the policy, so it is really no different from borrowing from a 401K in terms of missed investment earnings.
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
2977 posts
Posted on 9/11/15 at 2:47 pm to
My whole life cash value grows by 6.5% per year. The rate to borrow money from it is 5%. So in the end there is a net positive growth.

If you borrow from your 401k and the interest is credited back to your 401k balance, it is still coming out of your pocket. It's not really earnings. You are just transferring from bank account to retirement account.
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