- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
The "Bank on Yourself" Concept
Posted on 9/10/15 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 9/10/15 at 4:22 pm
Can any of you guys fill me in on this concept? How legit is it as a retirement vehicle? My father in law is swearing by this and I'm admittedly skeptical. Any info, positive or negative, would be helpful. FWIW, both my wife and I already have ROTH's through Vanguard for each of us and I have a 403b Vanguard account I contribute to as well. I have about $15,000 in a MM emergency fund and try to keep my balance in my checking at least above $5,000.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 4:24 pm to Chaplain
It's a stupid ploy created by insurance salesmen to sell whole life policies.
It's been discussed here as nauseum and has always been shown to be inefficient.
It's been discussed here as nauseum and has always been shown to be inefficient.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:07 pm to TheHiddenFlask
I think it can definitely work. But I would recommend only whole life.
Posted on 9/10/15 at 7:35 pm to Chaplain
It is not a terribly efficient way to build a nest egg. That said, for someone who needs lots of handholding there are worse strategies out there. Like daytrading options based on the recommendations of some random guy online.
But for someone in that position a stupid easy but more effective plan is to just make sure you set aside money from every paycheck to buy into a target year retirement fund.
ETA: The really important thing with *any* savings plan is to make regular contributions to your nest egg. The "Bank on Yourself" idea does do that at least, but returns on investment are lacking. You can do better.
There are some reasons why using insurance as a retirement vehicle can help, for example, if you think you might need to shelter assets from things like bankruptcy, alimony, need-based scholarships for your kids, that sort of thing. But it still takes lots of careful consideration given the lack of investment performance.
But for someone in that position a stupid easy but more effective plan is to just make sure you set aside money from every paycheck to buy into a target year retirement fund.
ETA: The really important thing with *any* savings plan is to make regular contributions to your nest egg. The "Bank on Yourself" idea does do that at least, but returns on investment are lacking. You can do better.
There are some reasons why using insurance as a retirement vehicle can help, for example, if you think you might need to shelter assets from things like bankruptcy, alimony, need-based scholarships for your kids, that sort of thing. But it still takes lots of careful consideration given the lack of investment performance.
This post was edited on 9/10/15 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 9/10/15 at 8:01 pm to foshizzle
Cliff notes for those of us that have no idea what that is?
Posted on 9/10/15 at 9:02 pm to I Love Bama
Cliffs Notes
At a *very* high level, the idea is that you direct your savings into a retirement vehicle that you can borrow from whenever you want. Since you're paying yourself back, it's all good and the insurance company simply adopts a very conservative investment policy. Most of the ads play on fears of market fluctuation, after all.
I'd argue that this isn't hard to do on your own without the added fees and loads. OTOH, some people really have no idea what to do with money they've socked away and might be better off letting someone else invest it safely. For a fee, of course.
At a *very* high level, the idea is that you direct your savings into a retirement vehicle that you can borrow from whenever you want. Since you're paying yourself back, it's all good and the insurance company simply adopts a very conservative investment policy. Most of the ads play on fears of market fluctuation, after all.
I'd argue that this isn't hard to do on your own without the added fees and loads. OTOH, some people really have no idea what to do with money they've socked away and might be better off letting someone else invest it safely. For a fee, of course.
Posted on 9/11/15 at 9:38 am to foshizzle
Most people can do this with a 401k for little or no fees. Just the interest charges which go back into the 401k.
Posted on 9/11/15 at 10:10 am to TejasHorn
Edited. I think I misunderstood the previous post. A major difference between borrowing from a 401k and life insurance is that when the funds are withdrawn from the 401k they are no longer participating, or earning interest. That can be a big advantage to a life insurance policy.
This post was edited on 9/11/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/11/15 at 12:22 pm to BurlesonCountyAg
quote:
Edited. I think I misunderstood the previous post. A major difference between borrowing from a 401k and life insurance is that when the funds are withdrawn from the 401k they are no longer participating, or earning interest. That can be a big advantage to a life insurance policy.
It is my understanding that when you borrow from a life insurance policy you are then charged interest on the amount borrowed, but the interest rate is about the same as the investment return earned by the cash portion of the policy, so it is really no different from borrowing from a 401K in terms of missed investment earnings.
Posted on 9/11/15 at 2:47 pm to EA6B
My whole life cash value grows by 6.5% per year. The rate to borrow money from it is 5%. So in the end there is a net positive growth.
If you borrow from your 401k and the interest is credited back to your 401k balance, it is still coming out of your pocket. It's not really earnings. You are just transferring from bank account to retirement account.
If you borrow from your 401k and the interest is credited back to your 401k balance, it is still coming out of your pocket. It's not really earnings. You are just transferring from bank account to retirement account.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News