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Taking on a business partner
Posted on 5/22/15 at 7:43 am
Posted on 5/22/15 at 7:43 am
Looking for some advice or some "make sure you...". Me & a long time client are about to talk about her coming on as a partner. I've never had a partner & I'm trying to get a grasp of how to value her. She brings a lot of marketing, sales & overall business acumen to the table (along with deep pockets). She'd also be helping me further develop the "system" so that we can possibly duplicate it at another location. What are some ways to offer her a piece without it biting me in the arse if it doesn't work out? I don't wanna give away too much but also don't wanna insult her with a stingy offer.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:03 am to Schmelly
Place a value on your business. I'd think that's where you'd need to start from.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:17 am to Iowa Golfer
I have that number in mind/calculated. It's the "what percentage of that" part that Im trying to guesstimate.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:21 am to Schmelly
It's easy to go into business with a partner(s). Getting out of business with a partner(s) is a pain in the arse unless you have an enforceable agreement all partners are comfortable with. What happens if one partner dies and leaves a surviving spouse who adds no value with control of the partnership interest? What if another partner gets divorced and community property laws apply? What if a partner suffers a long-term disability?
Talk to an attorney experienced in drafting agreements governing business entities.
Talk to an attorney experienced in drafting agreements governing business entities.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:23 am to Schmelly
If I were in that situation, I would say I'm willing to give you x % of the company, but in equal installments over an x year vesting schedule.
That way you don't give 50% or whatever to someone who then shags arse and leaves you to run the business
ETA: unless they are actually buying in. if that's the case, pay a valuation accountant to put a $$$ value on the company, then decide what % you are willing to sell
That way you don't give 50% or whatever to someone who then shags arse and leaves you to run the business
ETA: unless they are actually buying in. if that's the case, pay a valuation accountant to put a $$$ value on the company, then decide what % you are willing to sell
This post was edited on 5/22/15 at 8:26 am
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:25 am to Schmelly
That's a tough thing. When I bought in, I bought in as a minority owner. But I had worked with, and for my senior partner for a long, long time. Also, he was fair, and is honest.
You have a different situation. It would be difficult for me to give up more than 49.9%. I would keep control.
At that point, just specify in writing what salaries, dividends, distributions etc would be. Because for all practical purposes, minority ownership in a tightly held company usually renders the minority owner powerless. Realistically you could declare salaries and distributions, predicated on entity, and you new partner would have to eat whatever you dished out.
So if she knows this, she should want fair salaries agreed upon in writing, and at what point profits are distributed and in what percentage. Having said that, if you maintain controlling interest, that agreement is worth the paper it's written on because you control the vote(s) to change this.
A wealthy old banker one time told me, don't ever have partners, and don't ever own real estate. He's over 90, and this is an extreme view, but I get what he was saying.
You have a different situation. It would be difficult for me to give up more than 49.9%. I would keep control.
At that point, just specify in writing what salaries, dividends, distributions etc would be. Because for all practical purposes, minority ownership in a tightly held company usually renders the minority owner powerless. Realistically you could declare salaries and distributions, predicated on entity, and you new partner would have to eat whatever you dished out.
So if she knows this, she should want fair salaries agreed upon in writing, and at what point profits are distributed and in what percentage. Having said that, if you maintain controlling interest, that agreement is worth the paper it's written on because you control the vote(s) to change this.
A wealthy old banker one time told me, don't ever have partners, and don't ever own real estate. He's over 90, and this is an extreme view, but I get what he was saying.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:30 am to Iowa Golfer
I wouldn't say never take on a partner, but make sure you cover your arse in case it doesn't work out.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:34 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
For starters, we need pics of the potential partner. Preferably full body shots. But from the waist up is acceptable if you give a detailed breakdown of what the badonkadonk looks like.
There's absolutely not way we can give accurate advice without it.
There's absolutely not way we can give accurate advice without it.
Posted on 5/22/15 at 8:49 am to Schmelly
Posted on 5/22/15 at 10:41 am to Schmelly
Don't give away control.
Is she actually buying in, or is this a sweat equity kind of thing?
If she's not bringing in cash, consider making her a profit and loss only partner at first.
Is she actually buying in, or is this a sweat equity kind of thing?
If she's not bringing in cash, consider making her a profit and loss only partner at first.
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