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Small Business Owners-Best way to reduce taxable income.

Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:51 pm
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3613 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:51 pm
Just started doing Airbnb's and it's looking like I'm going to make a decent amount of money on one of my commercial units. Based on conditions right now it appears my profits will be between 40,000 and 60,000 next year. What is the best way you have found to reduce your taxable income which is not out right fraud. I expect to pay some tax but would obviously like to reduce the amount if possible. Business is an LLC if that matters. I understand doing things like maxing out 401k will help but am really looking at any tricks you may have learned to reduce business income that will stand up to any future audit scrutiny.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 10:04 pm
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 9:58 pm to
Get a good CPA

Get a credit card under your LLC

Have CPA tell you what can and can't be written off

A good CPA is worth way more than you'll pay him, I have a ton of LLC's, over 20+ I keep all my properties under individual LLC's and my CPA is able to deduct damn near all my travel,dining, a couple leased cars, and some other things. Almost anything could be business related if you're in real estate, any travel could be in search of a new property, most dining could be business related, etc. It's just how willing are you to face an audit if it so comes?
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3613 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:01 pm to
Does it matter if this is a side business and not my primary job? Also does a debit card suffice or is an actual credit card better.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:12 pm to
You want everything under an individual LLC. You need separate bank accounts. Get a credit card for your LLC, an LLC is going to get more tax benefits than a sole proprietor. For basic bookkeeping like you want, I'd say $200/mo for a decent CPA to setup a payroll for you. He'll probably set you up on bi weekly tax payments, automatic payroll of you/wife/etc, and bill you quarterly. If its one property you could probably do it yourself, but a good CPA who doesn't have a history of audits under his belt will probably keep the IRS off your arse.

As for your business, real estate, I don't have any 2 properties under 1 LLC, you can't have a lawsuit against one affect another. I own alot of commercial along with residential rentals. Believe me, there are more lawyers than you can imagine waiting out there to sue you. I was once sued bc a customer parked his car under a tree at my store, and a storm knocked a branch down on a car that was illegally parked. I've been sued for a shootout in a shopping center I owned due to lack of security, it sounds nuts, but I wasted a ton of money defending myself in both cases.

With that said, thats why all my properties are held individually. I can't have judgements affect other entities. I suggest you don't keep a rental property under your individual name bc god forbid you have some drunk air bnb idiot slip in your property and decide to sue you, or say a storm hits and roof collapses and kills some schmuck, you don't it to affect yourself. Believe me, litigious lawyers are dying for a guy like you to frick up. Its terrible what the legal industry has done to good people who didn't dot all i's and cross all t's but please get an LLC not just for tax purposes but for protection.

I google my name and there's this website that has all the entities tied to a person and I have a freaking spider web, I don't even know I want to say like 29 LLC's haha. I learned my lessons early in my business career.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 10:15 pm
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3613 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:16 pm to
Well the good news is I do have the unit under an individual LLC so I have that taken care of. At this point I just want to reduce my tax burden. The LLC has its own bank account and I will obviously run as much stuff through it that I can justify as business expenses.

Also I have an extensive finance background so I will have no issue with the bookkeeping. It's the tax issues I do not have a lot of experience in.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 10:22 pm
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:20 pm to
I mean whats your tax burden on the LLC as we speak? Is it a condo or house? If its a condo you should be able to depreciate a lot more bc there is no land involved. Do you have a mortgage? What kind of taxable income are you looking at bc I cant imagine most condos have a major tax burden due to depreciation.

What kinda numbers are we looking at? Rent? Cost basis? Condo or home? Did you just buy it? I know some commercial properties have different tax loopholes.

I see $50k avg now.....thats pretty high up there, so we're talking a $500-750k+ property Im assuming?
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 10:25 pm
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3613 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:23 pm to
It's not as cut and dry as it seems. I got lucky as I have a commercial building owner allowing me to rent a unit and sublease it via Airbnb. So I have rent and don't have the ability to depreciate.

Based on my current bookings it appears I'll make between 40k and 60k profit after expenses but before taxes.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 10:25 pm
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:25 pm to
ah in that case I definitely suggest talking to a CPA man, they know alot more than you think, I have a great one that I drive over an hour to out in katy,tx to take care of my books thats how important he is to me.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19548 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:25 pm to
You can probably go as low as 10% of purchase price on land value on a condo which means more depreciation expense. Also, you can deduct the hoa fees as well which can be hefty. I have one where the hoa fees are $432\month.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 10:29 pm
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19548 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:27 pm to
Also, this probably isn't popular, but people worry too much about being audited. Make a good faith effort and be in the ballpark. If it's wrong and you get audited, you pay the difference plus a little bit of interest. I'd rather take a little bit of a risk vs a .01% chance than be overall anal about a confusing tax law that has many gray areas.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 10:29 pm
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3613 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:29 pm to
Thanks man I really appreciate it. I'm great with my personal finances but this is my first entry into business dealings. I'm sure there are tons of tricks that experienced small business owners like yourself have learned to save a few thousand here and there that will save you money down the line. I'm eager to hear any and all.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19548 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:33 pm to
CPAs are great but there are a ton out there that are in the business of not causing issues rather than exposing themselves or their firm with an aggressive position. The tax code in my opinion is completely absurd. I'm not against paying taxes it's just that the whole system is a game.

Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3613 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:37 pm to
I agree and I am of the thought to be as aggressive as possible with available loopholes. I didn't create them and I don't always agree with all of them but I will use them to my advantage when available.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19548 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:37 pm to
I have experience in my day job with a decent size small business with an LLC and Inc. I also have recently bought a few rental properties and am learning as I go. I'm about to do a flip which is going to add to my learning curve. I've not done the individual LLC's yet but am in the process. Most banks won't refinance inside of an LLC so I am trying to do this first before I convert it to an LLC.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9754 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:00 pm to
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Posted by hombreman9
USA
Member since Feb 2009
3781 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:22 pm to
Pretty sure the NSA just forwarded this topic to the IRS and all of you guys are getting audited next year.

Seriously, though, make sure to keep track of all of your expenses. Keep track of car mileage, look into the home office deduction, buy a sweet arse computer to do your bookkeeping on, network with people in your area who do similar shite and have business dinners, write off your cell phone bill. Also, make sure you run your business out of it's own bank account. You have more expenses that are 100% legit than you think. It's important not to miss those or you will pay Uncle Sam more taxes than you owe.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20376 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 6:40 am to
Renting the unit and not owning hurts s lot of your potential deductions/ expenses. With that one crushing you may seriously consider purchasing a second you own. Even if it only does decent the tax advantages of it with the first ones income may be worth it.

Look into a retirement account for sure. You can put at least 25% of your income there usually.
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2655 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 6:43 am to
Cash only?
Posted by LSU5508
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
3613 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:58 am to
Thanks man.
Posted by Mossive
Member since Nov 2016
358 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:05 am to
quote:

dabigfella


I feel like everyone would benefit from having your CPA :)

he should pay you a referral fee
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