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Should Social security Medicare be optional?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:14 pm
I mean the way I look at it the government should give you a option.
The government could give you 4 options
1 a Switzerland or like other nations social security privatization plan like some of other countries
2 They give you a tax deduction tax credit what ever you invest it in a safe funds bonds etc. they give you your cash back
3 Keep it as the way it is
4 a match type system you put in X they put in X
Medicare
The same thing
The government could give you 4 options
1 a Switzerland or like other nations social security privatization plan like some of other countries
2 They give you a tax deduction tax credit what ever you invest it in a safe funds bonds etc. they give you your cash back
3 Keep it as the way it is
4 a match type system you put in X they put in X
Medicare
The same thing
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 12:03 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:28 pm to Tdawg24
I wish I could say yes make it optional in an ideal environment, but the average citizen has something like $10,000 in retirement savings. So no, I don't think it should be optional. While I understand none of what we currently put in is "saved" for us, at least we are contributing to the issue.
Retirement accounts should not be allowed to be accessed until someone is 65 IMO. Its absurd to allow loans on the money and early withdraws.
Retirement accounts should not be allowed to be accessed until someone is 65 IMO. Its absurd to allow loans on the money and early withdraws.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:33 pm to Tdawg24
It is theft.
I would gladly forfeit any future benefits and past contributions if I could opt out.
I would gladly forfeit any future benefits and past contributions if I could opt out.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:35 pm to UncleLogger
quote:
It is theft.
I would gladly forfeit any future benefits and past contributions if I could opt out.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 12:01 am to baldona
They would put restrictions on it. they pay you until you retire.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 12:02 am to UncleLogger
They government would give you money it back.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:52 am to Tdawg24
Here's the real problem.
People over time have paid taxes for social security and have been "promised" benefits. However, not nearly enough was collected. SS is a ponzi scheme. The taxes collected from today's workers pay the benefits for today's retirees.
If we were to allow people to opt out of contributions, the system would quickly crash. Without new dollars constantly coming in, there would be nothing to pay benefits right.
And to be fair, many defined benefit pension plans are in the same boat. If contributions were halted today, there would not be enough money to pay out all benefits that are owed.
Medicare is the same way. The people receiving medicare today, to the extent they are paying premiums, they are not nearly enough to cover today's expenses. But the medicare taxes paid by everyone (the vast majority of whom are NOT receiving benefits today) pay for the system. Again, if we allowed people to opt out, we would not have enough money coming in to pay today's benefits.
In theory, I'm in favor of alternatives to both. But I don't think we can tell people, hey, you paid in social security and medicare all your life, now that you need it, sorry.
The transition to a new plan is going to be very, very painful. Needed and better in the long run, but short term painful.
People over time have paid taxes for social security and have been "promised" benefits. However, not nearly enough was collected. SS is a ponzi scheme. The taxes collected from today's workers pay the benefits for today's retirees.
If we were to allow people to opt out of contributions, the system would quickly crash. Without new dollars constantly coming in, there would be nothing to pay benefits right.
And to be fair, many defined benefit pension plans are in the same boat. If contributions were halted today, there would not be enough money to pay out all benefits that are owed.
Medicare is the same way. The people receiving medicare today, to the extent they are paying premiums, they are not nearly enough to cover today's expenses. But the medicare taxes paid by everyone (the vast majority of whom are NOT receiving benefits today) pay for the system. Again, if we allowed people to opt out, we would not have enough money coming in to pay today's benefits.
In theory, I'm in favor of alternatives to both. But I don't think we can tell people, hey, you paid in social security and medicare all your life, now that you need it, sorry.
The transition to a new plan is going to be very, very painful. Needed and better in the long run, but short term painful.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:59 am to LSUFanHouston
Well in theory you would get the money you sent in right. The government has money so in theory they could give you a check. Also my plan would have age qualifications. I was thinking for the next generations x mellenials to start. Some baby boomers it's like this say I'm 20 years old working almost 8 years before I reached 20. So let's say I have put in money the government could write a check
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 10:02 am
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