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Senate passes nationwide online sales tax bill

Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:37 pm
Posted by rickgrimes
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:37 pm
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The US Senate has approved a bill that could one day spell the end of sales tax-free online purchases. The Marketplace Fairness Act of 2013, which the Senate symbolically supported earlier this year and has now passed by a margin of 69 to 27, will give states the authority to collect sales tax from online storefronts, regardless of whether the sellers have a physical presence in the state. Technically, citizens are supposed to estimate and pay internet sales tax on their annual returns, but this is rarely done, leading states to eye Amazon or other sellers as a prime source of uncollected tax revenue.

This bill is a centralized effort to address something states have been working on for years, coming at a time when the online market is changing. Amazon, which could once shut down warehouses to evade state sales tax, has embraced a more fast-paced sales model that requires local facilities; it supports the tax bill. eBay and others, by contrast, have argued that the bill would impose serious costs and inconvenience for small sellers, making them manage taxes for every state that chooses to collect. The bill doesn't apply to businesses that sell less than $1 million a year online, but both Etsy and eBay have said that threshold is too low and worked to push it higher.

While the bill passed by a wide margin, a small coalition of Republicans and Democrats combined forces to oppose it. This included Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), a longtime supporter of internet privacy and network neutrality whose state has no sales tax. While Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) called the Marketplace Fairness Act a "states' rights bill," other conservatives worried that the bill was effectively a new tax that would "hamper the entrepreneurial spirit" of internet sellers, in the words of Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX).

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Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37693 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:38 pm to
SUCKS
Posted by gizmoflak
Member since May 2007
11659 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:49 pm to
Statists rejoice!

Posted by RunningBlake
Member since Aug 2011
4105 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:49 pm to
What's status of this bill in the house?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48886 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:54 pm to
it'll pass the house...only a matter of time
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:54 pm to
Complete and utter bullshite. I wish there had been a similar internet backlash like the one experienced with all the internet privacy stuff from last year.
Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
3338 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:04 pm to
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Complete and utter bullshite.


Why?

Not like you had a right to the loophole that allowed you to buy shite tax free.
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
15011 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:28 pm to
What loophole are you referring to? There's no precedent establishing jurisdiction.
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10110 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:42 pm to
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Not like you had a right to the loophole that allowed you to buy shite tax free.

What state gets the taxes? I live in LA but the product is located in TX but was purchased in AR. Answer that for me.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48886 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 7:51 pm to
the state which you reside i assume?

if you live in LA, then California will tax what you buy from whatever you buy on the internet

i think the whole premise is to keep people buying from local stores rather than tax free internet goods for cheap

i dont want taxes, but this tax makes sense
Posted by Springfield XD
Member since Feb 2013
1782 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 8:38 pm to
Obama won't sign it because he said he won't raise taxes on the middle class.
Posted by ATL TGR
Houston
Member since Apr 2008
2878 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 8:41 pm to
Its a good idea but retarded. What will happen is sellers charging sales tax and not remitting the tax to local jurisdictions. Guaranteed. And of the states even realize it the sellera will most likely disappear. More red tape and bs
Posted by ATL TGR
Houston
Member since Apr 2008
2878 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 8:44 pm to
Its a good idea but retarded. What will happen is sellers charging sales tax and not remitting the tax to local jurisdictions. Guaranteed. And of the states even realize it the sellera will most likely disappear. More red tape and bs
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4178 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:11 pm to
What I don't get is Amazon being FOR it. One of the main reasons I shopped with Amazon was not having to pay sales tax. It was their biggest attraction for a lot of customers. Now there is less incentive to shop with them.

Wasn't it just last year that they had a bitter fight regarding sales tax with the California state government? Why this sudden about face I wonder.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 9:20 pm
Posted by Springfield XD
Member since Feb 2013
1782 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:19 pm to
Amazon is building s decentralized warehouse system and will get snaggled up in State sales taxes anyway. A universal law will keep the playing field level in their eyes.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43454 posts
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:25 pm to
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Amazon is building s decentralized warehouse system and will get snaggled up in State sales taxes anyway. A universal law will keep the playing field level in their eyes.




yep, they are thinking long term.
Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
3338 posts
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:39 am to
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What state gets the taxes? I live in LA but the product is located in TX but was purchased in AR. Answer that for me.


LA

It's always been based by the location of the purchaser.

Specifically, your shipping address.

The nature of cyberspace makes the item location and store ilrelevant.

The end result to you is that it is the same as if you bought it in a store near your home. If your state/city has no sales tax, then this bill doesn't effect you.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 8:22 am
Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
3338 posts
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:42 am to
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What loophole are you referring to? There's no precedent establishing jurisdiction.


The loophole where you can evade sales tax by purchasing an item from an out of state merchant and the state can't do a thing about it.

It sucks the free ride is over, but I'm confused as to how it's bullshite.

Posted by Siderophore
Member since Nov 2010
3338 posts
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:45 am to
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Amazon is building s decentralized warehouse system and will get snaggled up in State sales taxes anyway. A universal law will keep the playing field level in their eyes.


Actually it slants things in their favor by virtue of being already established.

This bill will make it difficult for a new start company to compete.
Posted by Siderophore
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:45 am to
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