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Raising kids: Public vs Private

Posted on 4/30/17 at 11:46 am
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 11:46 am
We are fortunate to live in one of the strong school districts in Oklahoma.

However, the wife and I go back and forth on whether we should bite the bullet and pay for private school for our boys (4 & 1).

Would love to hear some thoughts here.
Posted by Palmetto08
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:00 pm to
That's a tough question - too many unknowns.

For instance in Mobile County, AL the public schools are terrible and I'd do everything I could to get my child into private school. But just next door in Baldwin County the public schools are very good and I'd probably send my child to public over private.

Does the private school offer a pre-K program? Maybe enroll the boys in see if you like it.

Good luck
Posted by eelsuee
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:24 pm to
Of course this isn't an option for everyone but buying a house in a good school district is better than paying tuition. Houses cost more in good school districts but you can probably sell the house and get the money back (minus the interest) once your kids are out of school. A lot of factors to consider but that was my reasoning when making those plans.

If you already live in a good school district then you will probably pay a lot for a very small gain if any.
This post was edited on 4/30/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:25 pm to
Yes. And I think the private schools in our city are fine. Probably not substantially better than public, but I do feel like less junk goes on in these environments.

Unfortunately we live 30 minutes from the best private school, Heritage Hall.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:31 pm to
If you feel the public schools are meeting your children's needs, put that money away for their college fund. You can save a boatload in thirteen years. Private school can be a devastating wealth killer for a middle class family, but if you are a really high-earner it may not be an issue. And if your kid grows up and wants to be a welder, you can always use that money for a set of solid gold truck nuts.
Posted by ProudLSUMom
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 1:37 pm to
Obviously a very personal decision but I'll tell you my experience.

Our children attended a Catholic school in BR for K-2 then we moved back to my home parish and they attended public school there.

Our Catholic school experience is that there were cliques, yes even in 2nd grade that made a small school experience frustrating for my introverted daughter. My children excelled in class there.

When my kids got to public school it was eye opening for them. My introverted daughter found other introverts and was happy. My kids excelled in public school and 2 of the 3 were in gifted classes.

They all went to college, 2 with scholarships. 2 of them have their masters and the 3rd doesn't really need one.

So, I'm sure if your children have great parental support and a good school, they will succeed.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 2:15 pm to
I'd research where the kids in the school district are going to college. While at Auburn, I got some good insight into where students were coming from while I worked in scheduling for the English department. Overwhelming percentage of incoming freshmen came from Vestavia, Hoover, Mountain Brook, Homewood, and Pelham. Pretty much the nice suburb schools of Birmingham sent the largest number of students. Sounds like common sense, right? Of course.

But what surprised me was that a few schools that were considered stronger schools didn't send many to Auburn. Trussville was the most notable one because most people living in Trussville would assume that their school system was on par with the other nice suburb schools.

So again, do some homework to see if your strong school system is really producing the results you want. If so, definitely go with it since your tax dollars are already paying for it.
Posted by TigerGrl73
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 2:27 pm to
My husband's girls went to good public schools in Arkansas, and he wishes he had put them in private. In hindsight, he thinks they would have applied themselves more if they had been educated with other high achievers who were expected to perform at a certain level academically.
Posted by Palmetto08
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 3:04 pm to
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My introverted daughter found other introverts and was happy

If your children have great parental support and a good school, they will succeed


Great post and glad to hear things worked out for you and your children!
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40363 posts
Posted on 4/30/17 at 3:13 pm to
If the public schools are average or better, sending them to private school is dumb unless you're rolling in money. Learning to deal with all sorts of people is more important than advanced fourth grade math in my opinion. Only way I'd consider private school is if the public schools were total shite.

Your kids would get way further in life if you set that money aside for college or post grad (house down payment, etc.) imo.
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 3:21 pm to
I know I posted this on the Money Board so I'm getting a lot of financial responses (and sound ones at that).

But don't you guys worry about things such as common core, being lumped in with other kids who's family doesn't value education, etc?

Conversely, I definitely don't want them overly sheltered. I went to a private Christian college and saw plenty kids like this go insane once they left the house.
Posted by ProudLSUMom
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

But don't you guys worry about things such as common core, being lumped in with other kids who's family doesn't value education, etc?

Conversely, I definitely don't want them overly sheltered. I went to a private Christian college and saw plenty kids like this go insane once they left the house.



I felt that public school prepared them more for the real world. Being around kids who were from good homes and bad homes made them realize how lucky they were in their own home. They learned they needed to succeed in high school and college to continue the lifestyle they grew up in.

Also, they attended a large high school and had lots of good electives, advanced placement classes, extra curricular activities. I felt like it was a well rounded school.

When my kids worked on group projects and had a slacker student in their group, they had to learn how to handle that situation. I thought that was excellent preparation for the real world.

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

But don't you guys worry about things such as common core, being lumped in with other kids who's family doesn't value education, etc? 



I went to public school until high school then went to a private school. The education was a little better I would say, but what you are really paying for is the environment. There were a few people that I graduated with had they gone to public school they wouldnt have dropped out, but they would have been way worse off. They weren't at risk kids or anything just not really bright, and had the personality if they would've been around kids that had no structure at home they would've been with that crowd and gotten in trouble and such. Going to a small private school they had good influences and turned out better than many thought. The exact opposite can be said of the people I knew from public school. One of my good friends from public was super smart, but didn't really have any structure at home. He ended up ok, but could have achieved so much more. Had he been at my private school with strucute and all "good kids" he would have been a really high achiever.

Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

what you are really paying for is the environment.


This.

Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 5:07 pm to
Make no mistake about it,,,your children succeeded due to the parental support. No matter their personality, you were there when they needed you. And most times, that's the difference is success and failure....the support system.
Posted by agalloch
Portland, OR
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 8:54 pm to
Whether you can pay for it is up to you. I find it pretty absurd to spend what is basically college tuition to send your kid to grade school, but if you have the scratch and it doesn't hurt you too much, by all means.

On a non-financial note, the public schools would have to be absolutely terrible for me to even consider private...and even then I would probably just move. If what you want is an environment where your child can succeed, as long as you aren't in the worst of the worst district, public school will probably work just fine as long as you are active in your kid's life. It's anecdotal, but I'm very grateful to have gone to public school in a low-middle class area; not being protected from how shitty things can be for some kids definitely gave me perspective that has helped me out as an adult.
Posted by Tigeralltheway
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 10:12 pm to
I would go private. My kids are 16 & 14 in public and the crap they are exposed to is crazy. The biggest problem with public schools is that sometimes 14 year old kids are in the same classes with 18-19 year old adult seniors. Way more advanced mentally.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 10:22 pm to
i'll give you my opinion and it might not be popular.

i went to an upper middle class suburban high school. it's supposed one of the top five or so traditional public schools in the state. the town is probably the richest city in the state. i wouldn't send my future/hypothetical kids there if i could afford private school.

the local catholic school blows it away IMO. i graduated fairly recently and the private school kids i know are killing it compared to the kids i went to school with. it's not even close. not to go all OT on the MT, but the student body is much "trashier" than most would think given the city's demos, average income, and reputation.

sure, most of the kids i graduated with went to four year schools, but most didn't make it four semesters and they definitely were not as well prepared as the catholic school kids.

if your kid is a "good kid"/very intelligent, self-starter type, the public school might offer more options and be the better choice. if you think they might need a bit more guidance or supervision (and plenty of smart, good kids do), i would definitely suggest private school.

just my $0.02.
Posted by TigerGrad2011
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 10:37 pm to
In Baton Rouge it's more of biting the bullet. We talk about it all the time and the possibility of moving to where the kids could go to public school, but it comes down to the environment and where the schools are sending kids for college. When we started looking at that and the network they can create in town if they choose to stay, it made it easier to bite the financial bullet.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20384 posts
Posted on 4/30/17 at 10:42 pm to
My dad was Air Force so I went to basically every school imaniginable. I would say 90% of education is on the parents unless the school is a really really crappy public school. i knew a kid in Del Rio HS which was a terrible public school that went to Harvard and his sister was most likely headed Ivy League. Good parents and smart genes.

If you can easily afford private, sure. But I saw plenty of issues at private schools too. Private are usually upper middle class or wealthier so there plenty of cliques, spoiled kids, politics, etc. The after school partying, drugs, and alcohol is most likely worse by average student at a private hs because the students have more time, resources, and parents that are away. Public schools obviously the opportunity is there but on average you have a lot more kids that don't partake. Smaller private schools almost everyone is exposed to it. Now some schools are certainly different, but that's my experience with multiple private catholic high school.

If private school tuition breaks your back, I honestly think it's not worth it. You as parents have to work more and are more stressed. You are better off working less and spending time with your kids helping them learn.

Additionally, the difference between the opportunities at a large public school and a small underfunded private school can be VAST. So many more electives, athletics, etc.
This post was edited on 4/30/17 at 10:46 pm
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