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Putting money in mutual fund acct with relatives

Posted on 2/23/13 at 9:54 pm
Posted by LaFBfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 9:54 pm
Would you consider combining funds to a mutual fund acct with a relative in order to achieve a higher yield? For example I've got 30k and they have 20k to invest. Close relative will be no disputes, but does this accomplish anything better than having two seperate accts?
Posted by AutoYes_Clown
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

 Close relative will be no disputes


Posted by Beerinthepocket
Dallas
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 10:15 pm to
How would combining the money into one account increase the yield? I see no advantage to this.
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

How would combining the money into one account increase the yield? I see no advantage to this.


This. Not to mention the nightmare of dividing up the 1099 at tax time.
Posted by TyOconner
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 10:42 pm to
Really. Bad. Idea.
Posted by reb13
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 10:53 pm to
HORRIBLE IDEA! STEER CLEAR!
Posted by Bayou Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 11:05 pm to
Ok. I'll bite.

What in the world is the selling point that you were given for this great idea? Anything more than "we can get a higher yield" or some details behind that?
This post was edited on 2/23/13 at 11:07 pm
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 11:13 pm to
Horrible idea. There isn't a single fund that I can think of where you'd get a better "yield" with $50K than $30K. BTY, I used to be in the investment business. DEFINITELY keep your accounts separate.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/24/13 at 1:09 am to
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higher yield


I do not think this word means what you think it means.
Posted by LaFBfan
Baton Rouge
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651 posts
Posted on 2/24/13 at 6:15 am to
Ok thats why I consulted first...no go
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
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Posted on 2/24/13 at 7:01 am to
He may be thinking of reaching a breakpoint on the load. Which brings up the question, why a loaded fund?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 2/24/13 at 7:21 am to
That's the only reason I could think of, still not a good reason though.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 2/24/13 at 8:31 am to
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Close relative will be no disputes, but does this accomplish anything better than having two seperate accts?


So you think...


The mantra never go into business with family or friends def applies here.

Unless you get a lawyer involved and make a "Trust" and allocate 60% to you and 40% to them, I wouldn't do it.
Posted by Bayou Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
3657 posts
Posted on 2/24/13 at 8:48 am to
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Ok thats why I consulted first...no go
Props to you for asking around first. People end up making bad decisions with money because they don't bounce the idea off of a few people. I've found that this board is as good a place as any to get a quick variety of opinions.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162190 posts
Posted on 2/24/13 at 9:02 am to
quote:

Ok. I'll bite.

What in the world is the selling point that you were given for this great idea? Anything more than "we can get a higher yield" or some details behind that?


I think some mutual fund stores require a 50K minimum to invest

He thinks he can get a good yield there but doesn't have enough liquid cash to invest yet
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26233 posts
Posted on 2/24/13 at 9:10 am to
So many people think that "combining accounts equals higher % return"...


If you invest seperately:
Acct1: 20,000 @10% ... end with $22,000
Acct2: 30,000 @10% ... end with $33,000
Total = $55,000

If you invest as one:
Acct1: 50,000 @10% ... end with $55,000
Total = $55,000


$55,000 = $55,000

All things being equal, and assuming you are not trying to use the money to allow for more diversification (which would negate the "all things being equal" anyway), it does not matter if you invest seperately or together. Therefore, unless there are other reasons, there is no reason to combine funds.


This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 9:18 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162190 posts
Posted on 2/24/13 at 9:47 am to
See my post above

I think it explains it
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
6851 posts
Posted on 2/24/13 at 10:36 am to
I think someone else may have nailed it as well. There are break points for loaded funds. It depends in the fund company, but $50,000 is a common break point. My advice would be to invest in a no load fund and keep the accounts separate. Vanguard has some of the lowest fees in the business. I'd start with them first.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26233 posts
Posted on 2/24/13 at 10:47 am to
Even in the case of a breakpoint, I personally don't think the one-time 1-2% savings (if that) is worth the hassle that will come with a joint account.

Like you said, if breakpoint is the issue, then go with a no-load fund to begin with.

I'm guessing that breakpoint is not the issue, though...His OP reads that he thinks they can get a higher return by combining funds, a common misconception.

This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 10:49 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89472 posts
Posted on 2/24/13 at 10:54 am to
quote:

Close relative will be no disputes, but does this accomplish anything better than having two seperate accts?


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