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re: Pair trades everyone should be making right now

Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:52 pm to
Nice to see a fellow tos user
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:04 pm
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:05 pm to
With respect to XLF, courtesy of Alex Eppstein:

"In today's trading, puts outstrip calls 147,000 contracts to 50,000. Digging deeper, the most active strike is the near-the-money May 19 put, where more than 21,200 contracts have crossed. From the looks of it, one trader bought to open a block of 16,500 contracts for $1.07 apiece, resulting in a total net debit of almost $1.8 million (premium paid * number of contracts * 100 shares per contract). This initial layout represents the speculator's maximum potential loss, should XLF close north of $19 at May expiration."
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:17 pm to
As it is right now he's got a 56% probability of it being OTM.
Posted by LSU1NSEC
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:19 pm to
spx has tested 1804 three times now.

nice rally around the corner imo
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:20 pm to
Yeah, saw that today. I agree especially after seeing the last little rally.
Posted by LSU1NSEC
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:25 pm to
thought spx might hit the 200 week ma @ 1789 area currently

might have one more push down but looks doubtful atm
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:28 pm to
I own April puts. But I'm up obviously, and likely out of it sooner rather than later.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:32 pm to
Probably be in March.
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:36 pm to
I put on an SLV position yesterday and closed it today for a 30% profit. That was nice.

You guys do any options trading on commodity etfs?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:43 pm to
I do SLV, USO and UNG. I haven't been real active in natural gas and oil recently. SLV I mostly own ITM LEAPS. Deep ITM, out until 2018. I see they have 2026 LEAPS as well, but very little OI. Looks like protective puts to me.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:56 pm to
LINK

Because Buffett hates options. Except for that in this shareholder letter he details buying them. And several other places. Not as clear is his bet on silver, his loss of shareholder monies, and the sudden turnaround in his thoughts on precious metals.

I own BRK.A. I read what he writes. I guess some other guys on here own BRK as well. I suspect they don't read his stuff as closely as I do. Or they own a different BRK. Who knows? It's the internet, and I tend to believe people who never have losing trades and worship the Fed. Because believing everything has allowed me to get from point A to point B.

Edit - He sells naked. Both calls and puts, but largely naked puts to lower entry pries on positions. Actually a pretty conservative way to enter into a long equity position. Collect income waiting for the strike to hit, and then own the stock.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:59 pm
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 7:58 pm to
I read this earlier today.

quote:

The canary in the coalmine of an increasingly desperate energy industry just croaked. With "unusual timing" and at "distressed prices," Reuters reports that Phillips 66 (PSX) - the major US refiner owned by Warren Buffett - dumped crude oil for immediate delivery into Cushing storage. This sparked heavy selling of the front-month WTI contract (to a $26 handle) and crashed the 1st-2nd month spread to 5 year lows.


Zero Hedge Article

Reuters Article
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 8:11 pm
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 8:24 pm to
Zero Hedge causes me to do more research as they have a bias in my opinion. I had heard this today as well, but don't completely understand the negative margin comment, and it's context in the sentence. I'm assuming oil negative margins, not gasoline. I read the Reuters article several times, and I'm still confused.

Edit - There is a demand side to the equation as well. So first we have revised world gdp, rumored or true for Q4, then we have the Fed's comments, not exactly rosy was my take, and other commodities outside of energy. Lower demand. I was playing around with aluminum and copper demand earlier today, and it just isn't looking good to me. Anecdotal only. Some economist probably has a more educated take on it. But you can see from my current trades posted, I'm mostly short, and it's mostly been working. It's much more fun in a market like this for me, but it's a ton more work as I don't keep shorts open too long, nor do I hesitate to close option trades quickly after a modest gain.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 8:29 pm
Posted by b-rab2
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:48 pm to
Crude moving, S&P moving. Maybe we have a good week for the Bulls I know I need it badly
Posted by b-rab2
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 7:03 am to
Looks like we have broken the trend

Looks like we have broken our falling knife trend in oil. The futures have the April contract up to $33.65 right now with it looking like a base at $29 has been put in. Volume has been heavy the last couple of days which tells me the bulls are ready to get this show moving up the road. Looks like there is resistance at $34 but I think we break that and move up to $38 over the next week or so.

I'm in USO as of $9.30 so I need to see some moves.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:25 am to
I'll watch. I wish I knew something about doing a pair trade for oil/gasoline. Long wti/short gasoline.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 12:34 pm to
Didn't make the trade. Would have been a very good trade today. Imagine that. If I make a trade, do the opposite. If I talk about a trade and don't make it, absolutely go ahead and make the trade.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 3:41 pm to
Sold to close GM 33 puts today. Grinding it out every day for lunch money here lately.
Posted by euphemus
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 3/13/16 at 2:12 am to
How is this long-short equity trades working out for you guys? Care to share your returns so far? Anyone ready to start a long-short Hedge Fund?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 3/13/16 at 8:35 am to
There's a ton of long/short hedge funds already.
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