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Oil stocks, oversupply and the Iran deal

Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
23483 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 1:50 pm
What's your opinion on how oil is trending?
Obviously no one have a clue regarding the price of oil and how low it might go in the near future. Long term almost all analysts agree that oil price will rebound which gives investors a chance to load up and take profit.
Near term, the oil price will be dictated by many factors, obviously production, over supply, weak demand, the IRAN issue and the crises in Libya. Whoever can predict the outcome is on path to make huge profit.

Two solid Oil companies that are worth taking a look at Small (SM) and Gran Tierra energy (GTE).

i will be buying into these two, the key issue is WHEN...

thoughts?
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47370 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:02 pm to
Dropping to a six-year low should definitely help out the gas prices...should drop a good quarter in the next week as it goes to under $43 a barrel. Very nice.

Now, as far as how it got there, this is not my strong point.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3320 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:03 pm to
I see oil dropping to high 20s or lower 30s. Way too much production and to many other factors coming into play all at the same time. It should all come to a head in a month or two. I think by early Summer the bottom will form and a strongrally will come soon after. JMO
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47370 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:10 pm to
I don't pretend to argue this point as I am too ignorant in this area, but what makes you believe it drops another 30-35%? That would possibly bring gas to a national average of $1.30-1.40.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3320 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:23 pm to
Off the top of my head.... Libya just doubled their production output in about 3 weeks time and Iran will start exporting ASAP once the nuke deal is complete. And then there is Cushing.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8274 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:23 pm to
I wouldn't touch oil stocks right now until after at least 1Q earnings come out. The stocks haven't fully priced in lower oil yet in my opinion and earnings will look much more in line with the current prices after the 1Q then they did after 4Q 14. People are guessing that sometime over Q2/Q3 the storage picture will clear up a bit and the market could try to rebalance once US production drops but nobody can give you a correct answer as to when that will be. In short I'd watch to get indications that US production has dropped and see what companies look like then as the bloodletting is far from over.
Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
23483 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:25 pm to
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Libya just doubled their production output in about 3 weeks time


ISIS is grwoing in Libya, which might bring it to a halt near term

quote:

Iran will start exporting ASAP once the nuke deal is complete


What if there were no deal!!

too much uncertainty

i think I'm going to wait for little bit more
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28088 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 7:21 pm to
The one certainty, at the risk of being trite, is an increase in volatility.

My impression is that we are going to continue to see downward pressure as a result of storage capacity constraints as well as persistently growing production, and one thing people kind of overlook, a strengthening dollar. The question now is to what extent those developments are offset by a sharp drop in drilling, as we are now approaching a 50% decline in US oil-focused land rig count In 5 months.

A new trend emerging for producers is to delay well completion until prices rise and it becomes sensible to do so. So any uplift we see late in the year and in 2016 could be mitigated or possibly erased by a supply response.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19582 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 7:39 pm to
Yes there is a big back log in the Permian and ND on completions as well as most of the other liquid shale plays. To my angst I think these low prices are going to persist longer than most think.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28088 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 7:53 pm to
You ever nail down the job search? Feel like I've seen you talk on here about that, hope it's turned out alright for you.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19582 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 10:40 pm to
I was down to one offer which is still in play, they pushed it back again but should be starting it in mid April. One of the other companies that had pulled theirs got back with me a couple weeks ago to see if I was still interested, which I am. They may have some limited spots and options and wanted to know my preferences, waiting for them to get back to me. Keeping my fingers crossed, just when I think things are going to stabilize a little bit it takes another dive.
Posted by Enfuego
Uptown
Member since Mar 2009
9881 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:10 pm to
I never realized the implications of the Iran deal in regards to oil. Read an article in WSJ about it today. Looks like it will head much lower if the deal happens.

quote:

Iran, the U.S. and its allies are pushing ahead with talks over a nuclear deal that would change many things—perhaps none faster than the price of oil.

Iranian exports in recent years have been essentially capped by Western sanctions aimed at pressuring Tehran over its nuclear ambitions. A deal easing those sanctions could eventually translate into half a million barrels or more a day in Iranian crude heading into a currently glutted global market, analysts estimate.

With global crude prices already under pressure, a deal could quickly knock them lower. U.S. oil prices slumped to a six-year low Monday on fresh signs that supplies are swamping the market.


LINK
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19582 posts
Posted on 3/16/15 at 11:27 pm to
Add to that the fields that are offline in Iraq and Syria bc of IS. It could come down to our only saving grace is the quick depletion rates of the shale plays which isnt going to have that dramatic affect on the global market anyway. I fully expect to see some companies go under and get acquired cheap.

If I could only hit a big power ball, be able to pick up some shale acreage for the cheap in about 6 months or so. Turn my 200M into a Billion.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28088 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:56 am to
Good deal, sounds like you are in a decent position all things considered.
Posted by poule deau
Member since Jan 2009
1404 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 7:57 am to
quote:

My impression is that we are going to continue to see downward pressure as a result of storage capacity constraints as well as persistently growing production, and one thing people kind of overlook, a strengthening dollar. The question now is to what extent those developments are offset by a sharp drop in drilling, as we are now approaching a 50% decline in US oil-focused land rig count In 5 months.


I think the x factor could be interest rates. If rates start to tick upwards, a lot of these marginal shale players will die quickly and supply will drop.

I also don't see how this trend of delayed well completion will continue for very long. I don't think it matters how cheap drilling gets, that is pure expense with no revenue. Bankers, and investors, won't support that.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3320 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 7:58 am to
I plan on buying either April or June Puts on Ensco at the opening bell. Money to be made on this one.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:13 pm to
With the price so low, and Saudi Arabia refusing to cap to meet OPEC guidance, and Iran coming back online, I read in the WSJ that the Iranian government has a break even point of $130/bl. This means they will be losing their @sses off once the Sanctions are lifted. If and when a deal is reached, BTW.

So with Iran taking it up the tailpipe with selling oil at this price after coming out of crushing sanctions, the glut of their pent up production on the market will actually cause them to lose even more money.

Zero Hedge quoted some industry experts as saying after that initial glut moves, Iran's going to need some retooling of their mature fields and significant infrastructure investments to keep up their previous production levels as well as invest in new plays. With them losing their @ss off compared to their break even point, this will require heavy investment as they just won't have the cash to do it.

Which means there will be huge pressure on an isolationist, saber-rattling government that nobody except for broke d!ck Russians wants to work with. They'll be in a real bind. May be ripe for regime change in the near term if this deal pushes through.
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7122 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:41 pm to
quote:

the Iranian government has a break even point of $130/bl.


I'm no expert but this seems off to me. Isn't most of the Middle East oil relatively cheap to produce? At $130/bl Iranian oil wouldn't make a profit at the best of times.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:01 pm to
Here's an interactive illustration from WSJ with additional info.

LINK /
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19582 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:30 pm to
Those may be prices to balance their budgets, which I think is still off at least with SA, those definitely aren't breakeven prices. The author has his info mixed up.
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