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NOLA AirBnB House/Condo Investment

Posted on 10/21/17 at 11:39 am
Posted by Finch
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 10/21/17 at 11:39 am
I’ve been trying to figure out a way to get my wife to enjoy investing and stop hoarding money in a bank and she has been wanting a condo or house in New Orleans. Does anyone have any tips for buying a place in NOLA that could also be used to rent out as an AirBnB?

The AirBnB portion doesn’t have to be extremely profitable (definitely a bonus if it is) but mainly cover the note and keep her busy.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 12:22 pm to
it basically comes down to marketing, good photos, good reviews.

"Walkable distance to FQ"
"Near the streetcar line"
"Bywater/Marigny"

so depending on where you buy, youll need to market the property in different ways.

keep in mind, that unless you live on the property, youre only legally allowed to rent the home for 90 days

so youll need to apply for a commercial license if she wants to rent full time (this is $500)

id also be cautious because the two mayoral candidates are eager to crack down even harder on STRs.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42453 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 1:37 pm to
Would not invest in any NOLA property for a number of reasons
Posted by Finch
Member since Jun 2015
3146 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 2:22 pm to
Because she wants to get a property in Nola for us to use some weekends.

This way I can get her off of my back about that and hopefully make a little money off of the deal.



ETA : read it as why would you vs would not
This post was edited on 10/21/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42453 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 2:29 pm to
Rising crime, high taxes, shitty Airbnb laws, declining tourism. shite, just buy a nice condo on the beach in Florida and call it a day.
Posted by Finch
Member since Jun 2015
3146 posts
Posted on 10/21/17 at 4:19 pm to
You're not married are you?

The reason I am trying to do this is that my wife wants a condo in New Orleans and I’m trying to kill more than one bird.

I could buy 10 condos in Florida and she would still want a condo in New Orleans
Posted by prokowave
Member since Sep 2017
28 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 8:37 am to
I would suggest looking into one of the newer high-rise condo buildings in the CBD. Many have programs to handle the airBnB stuff while you are away and there are basically no restrictions on it in the commercial areas, unlike residential areas as mentioned above. Plus you get a relatively new place, amenities, and security.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

I am trying to do this is that my wife wants a condo in New Orleans and I’m trying to kill more than one bird.


if you go through with this, contact me. ive been in the airbnb game for several years, although i just got out. id be willing to help you if you need the property cleaned between guests etc.

with that said, i think NOLA real estate is a gamble

Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42453 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

The reason I am trying to do this is that my wife wants a condo in New Orleans and I’m trying to kill more than one bird.




Then you're not looking to invest baw. I feel your pain, though
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20391 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:44 pm to
I don't know Nola prices that well but you aren't exactly cutting edge here it's been talked about for years on here.

I honestly doubt you will be making any money and probably barely covering the note and expenses on any properties still available with a 20% down payment. If it was highly profitable, someone else would be doing it imo. I have both long term and short term rental properties fwiw.

Now barely breaking even or not quite breaking even, paying your bills, and having a happy wife may be plenty for you.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 7:47 pm
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
1937 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:01 pm to
quote:

I would suggest looking into one of the newer high-rise condo buildings in the CBD. Many have programs to handle the airBnB stuff while you are away and there are basically no restrictions on it in the commercial areas, unlike residential areas as mentioned above. Plus you get a relatively new place, amenities, and security.


What complexes allow short term rentals/ subleasing. I haven't found any that do.
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
1937 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

keep in mind, that unless you live on the property, youre only legally allowed to rent the home for 90 days


This is for non commercial areas right? A place in the cbd can be 365?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58096 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 7:32 am to
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declining tourism


I'm not seeing this. Do you have some figures to back it up?

I agree with what others have said. The real estate prices are insane and a lot of it has to do with so many people doing what the OP is thinking about over the last two years. Lots of out of state investors buying up houses just to do the short term rental thing.
There are so many out there now that I'm not sure you would be able to rent it out as often as you think.

I would def. consider a condo in the warehouse district or something vs a house if you go forward with it.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1389 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:19 am to
The new buildings are $600+ per square foot, and probably don't allow short term rental use. You won't be able to break even on the acquisition costs anywhere new and I know most condo associations impose stiff fines / liens for short term use.

The condo where I've rented my condo long term imposes a $1,500 fine per short term rental violation and they lien the condo until you pay.

The only way to break even or be cash flow positive is to buy something really old and run down, redo it and live there, turning it over every week, effectively operating a hotel out of your backyard.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1389 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:23 am to
Curious, how long was your average guest stay, and how much did you gross/net per visit? How much time did you put in per visit, as the hotel operator? I've only done long term rentals for the last decade, I never saw how the numbers could work without requiring a lot of my time for each turnaround.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:47 am to
id say the avg stay was 2.5 days. i rarely had requests for more than a week but it does happen. once the house is set up, its not much maintenance between guests (unless repairs are needed, which does happen). cleaning the property takes a solid hour (depending on how big it is), but you need to ensure this is done well; a couple poor reviews for a dirty property and your business will suffer. for this reason, i cleaned most of the time because i just didnt trust outsourcing it. i had multiple sets of sheets, multiple towels, etc so i could just switch them out and get to cleaning. my properties were also in the bywater so it took a good 15 minutes to travel there too.

so id say one would need to dedicate a solid 2 hours between cleanings. you also need to be responsive to the app at all times for questions from guests. even if you have the most thorough FAQ document posted in the house, questions/concerns will still roll in. there was also the occasional 3 am call where the guest had locked themselves out and id need to go let them in.

with all that said, my revenues were incredible but you also have to understand that i was doing this before it was trendy to do so. i could pull 5 figures a month during peak season

This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:52 am
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1389 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:26 am to
Thanks for the information. After all the time, mileage and occasional 3 am calls, would you say it's worth it, dividing your net income per hour of personal time invested? I see above you've just gotten out of it, is there anything you'd do differently, or would you say Orleans parish is saturated at this point?

I feel my long term rentals pull me away from my regular job or family time enough already, adding another 30+ hours per month would have to be worth $100 per hour NET for me to undertake. I appreciate your sharing real numbers and experience, something lacking on this board most of the time.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:10 am to

i was getting $300-400 per night during some big events, so its hard to argue against those numbers. my profits declined year to year but it was still "worth it" and it was still worth it when i gave it up.

i left the market mostly because i decided to pursue other business interests totally unrelated to STRs. a part of me was also burnt out dealing with the guests and the cleaning. although i was only working 10-20 hours per week it was still exhausting - i did for over 2 years though.

there is a lot more competition now, the guests are a lot more demanding, and the demographics of the guests have also changed. city laws were also evolving and i wasnt too confident theyd do it "right"

at the peak, it was mostly young professionals, who were easy to host. now its EVERYONE with their own sets of demands and needs. certain people also think they should be getting a hotel experience and they will ding your reviews for any minor thing.

you will def make more money with STRs, no question, probably even double what you are making on your long-term rentals but it really comes down to all the extra headaches youre willing to deal with..

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
84056 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:13 am to
quote:

declining tourism


Do what now?
Posted by birdieman
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2012
1647 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:29 am to
I had a couple of properties I hosted Airbnb guests in. It was easy many at first but as the guy above said,guest demographics changed from young, easy guests to baby boomers who expected white glove treatment and thought 3 star reviews were for a great stay. A 3 star review will ruin your business.... I started screening my guests and would turn down guests that were over 50. They were just more work and expected the moon. I would get calls at midnight asking where they should go eat etc, asking to checkin at 9am, checkout at. 5 pm.....they just could not grasp that it's a single unit and I had no flexibly since I was always booked. I made great money but the hassle became too much and I grew to resent it...
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