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Lender Paid PMI
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:29 am
So obviously don't have 20% right now to put down for the kind of house we are looking for. Besides saving more and waiting - is lender paid PMI with a 30 year fixed the best way to go if we have been qualified for it? Credit is immaculate income is great and no usda option in our area.
Plan on being in the house for a long time.
Plan on being in the house for a long time.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:31 am to gamatt53
I did it because I felt that if gave them more of an incentive to eliminate it as soon as possible. It was the same cost to me either way.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:36 am to Douboy
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I did it because I felt that if gave them more of an incentive to eliminate it as soon as possible. It was the same cost to me either way.
The way my lender explained it was that we could get the current best 30 year fixed rate ( was 3.7 yesterday) and pay PMI which would fall off after 7 or so years
OR
we could add .625 to the rate for the life of the loan and pay no PMI ie nothing falls off but you never pay PMI.
It seemed like it was a better deal over 30 years to just pay PMI but if you think you are going to eventually move or refi to just go with the lender paid? Thoughts?
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/18/16 at 12:25 pm to gamatt53
If it takes you 7 years to pay off your PMI in my opinion you are buying too big of a house.
Are you real young with realistic expectations of good income increases?
The average mortgage is only 5 years, I can tell you that most people say that they will never leave their house. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am saying few people come on here saying they are getting a mortgage for 3, 4, or 5 years.
The main issue with buying a house with that much of a payment as interest and PMI is that it is going to take you probably 4 years to get to the point of not losing money if you had to sell the house for the price you paid. Maybe it goes up, or maybe it goes down and lose more. Remember, it takes at least 6 and usually 8% to sell a house. Its going to cost you at least $5,000 in closing costs for your mortgage. On a $200,000 house thats $17,000 you have to pay off before you break even if you have to sell it.
Are you real young with realistic expectations of good income increases?
The average mortgage is only 5 years, I can tell you that most people say that they will never leave their house. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am saying few people come on here saying they are getting a mortgage for 3, 4, or 5 years.
The main issue with buying a house with that much of a payment as interest and PMI is that it is going to take you probably 4 years to get to the point of not losing money if you had to sell the house for the price you paid. Maybe it goes up, or maybe it goes down and lose more. Remember, it takes at least 6 and usually 8% to sell a house. Its going to cost you at least $5,000 in closing costs for your mortgage. On a $200,000 house thats $17,000 you have to pay off before you break even if you have to sell it.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 12:46 pm to gamatt53
How much can you put down?
Posted on 3/18/16 at 1:09 pm to gamatt53
there is 3rd option. You can pay your MI up front as a lump sum. That is all your lender is doing to the PMI company, and increasing your rate to do so. Ask you lender if they offer "single pay MI". It will be an additional lump sum, but not as much as the remaining in your 20%, so it might be doable. As with the lender paid, you wont see a difference in your payment, but do the math and it might be cheaper in the long run, as you wont get a hit in the rate if you pay it. That assumes, that as you stated you will be in the house/loan for a long time. If that assumption is incorrect (as mentioned above) the math certainly changes.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 1:58 pm to Helmethead
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If it takes you 7 years to pay off your PMI in my opinion you are buying too big of a house.
Are you real young with realistic expectations of good income increases?
The 7 years figure was based on 5% down. This would be a first mortgage and the payments would be easily affordable at our current income level even with PMI but I am just trying to find what the best deal is.
Obviously we could get a smaller or older house and avoid PMI but we can afford to buy a "forever" home right now that needs zero updates based on our current income. Don't feel like posting specific numbers on here but the price of the home would be around twice our dual gross income so plenty of cushion IMO.
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there is 3rd option. You can pay your MI up front as a lump sum.
Thanks I wasn't aware that may be an option as the lender didn't mention it. I will ask
Posted on 3/18/16 at 2:05 pm to gamatt53
I'm not sure of the payment up front option but why would you do that? That's a great option for the bank, if you sell early or pay off 20% now on your mortgage then they made their money already.
I strongly urge you to not buy your 'first house' as your 'forever' house unless you live in a small town you grew up in on a farm or something. That is a line you hear over and over and over, and two years down the road the couple had a job change, divorce, etc. and they are $10,000 plus underwater on their house and it puts them in a horrible economic situation.
If you can't afford 20% down, you really can't afford a house. Just my experience from a bunch of friends and family that buying a house hurt them more than helped them.
I strongly urge you to not buy your 'first house' as your 'forever' house unless you live in a small town you grew up in on a farm or something. That is a line you hear over and over and over, and two years down the road the couple had a job change, divorce, etc. and they are $10,000 plus underwater on their house and it puts them in a horrible economic situation.
If you can't afford 20% down, you really can't afford a house. Just my experience from a bunch of friends and family that buying a house hurt them more than helped them.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:13 pm to baldona
I specifically stated That assumes, that as you stated you will be in the house/loan for a long time. I also stated ]If that assumption is incorrect (as mentioned above) the math certainly changes[/i].
certainly there are several factors we don't know about, as you mentioned...kids, job situation, divorce etc. Just throwing it out there as a potential option.
certainly there are several factors we don't know about, as you mentioned...kids, job situation, divorce etc. Just throwing it out there as a potential option.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:15 pm to baldona
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I'm not sure of the payment up front option but why would you do that? That's a great option for the bank, if you sell early or pay off 20% now on your mortgage then they made their money already.
He said in theory you would pay the PMI upfront in exchange for a lower rate over the life of the loan. Just another option to consider.
Thanks for the warnings and considerations. Every situation is different I will just let you know that we feel comfortable enough in our careers, location, and relationship to do this. I wouldn't be buying at all if I didn't regardless of the down payment requirements.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:21 pm to gamatt53
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The way my lender explained it was that we could get the current best 30 year fixed rate ( was 3.7 yesterday) and pay PMI which would fall off after 7 or so years
OR
we could add .625 to the rate for the life of the loan and pay no PMI ie nothing falls off but you never pay PMI.
I would go with the first option, personally. I did a conventional loan with 5% down on my house. PMI would have lasted a little more than 8 years had I not been making extra principal payments. But I should reach 22% equity in about 3.5 years and PMI will go away at that point.
It sounds like y'all are making plenty enough money to make extra principal payments and knock out PMI in just 2-3 years.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 3/18/16 at 3:36 pm to PhiTiger1764
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PhilTiger1764
Thanks for the advice! Curious how many extra payments are you making each year to get to your 3.5 years figure for PMI falling off?
Posted on 3/18/16 at 4:02 pm to gamatt53
I just randomly made lump sum payments.. I never had a schedule that I went by or anything. However, I did make a handy little excel spreadsheet that I could use to easily calculate my progress and run different scenarios. If you post your email I don't mind sending it to you.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 4:08 pm to PhiTiger1764
Thanks I would appreciate that.
This post was edited on 3/18/16 at 4:37 pm
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