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Landlord/Tenant Dispute: Cost of Litigation?

Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:00 pm
Posted by jfturner212
1176 Bob Pettit Boulevard
Member since Nov 2004
5470 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:00 pm
I've got a 955 sqft apartment in an older 24 unit mixed use building. Not submetered for water/sewer/trash. Got first w/s/t bill for $211.00. Knew this had to be wrong so I researched. Turns out landlord has residential tenants paying for 1st floor retail/restaurant w/s/g. Landlord was uncooperative about correcting the bill and issued me a cease and desist... So I filed a hearing with the city.

Now LL's lawyer want to settle.

Excerpt from last email from LL's lawyer..

quote:

It will cost my client a significant amount of money for me to defend this matter. Based on my review of the applicable law and facts, I believe that any penalty that might be awarded against my client will be less than my client's litigation expenses. For this reason, due diligence requires me to explore settlement possibilities that will be less costly to my client. If you have a specific proposal for resolving this matter, please let me know, and I would be glad to review it with my client.


How much should I ask for from these clowns?
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 5:02 pm
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42439 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:01 pm to
Wouldn't be posting an email on here
Posted by jfturner212
1176 Bob Pettit Boulevard
Member since Nov 2004
5470 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

Wouldn't be posting an email on here


shite baw. This is "anonymous".
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:05 pm to
You're dumb.

I'd ask for treefiddy
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:05 pm to
Is your landlord blueboxer from this thread? LINK /
Posted by jfturner212
1176 Bob Pettit Boulevard
Member since Nov 2004
5470 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:08 pm to
quote:

I'd ask for treefiddy


I'm thinking $10k since they made me take my LSU flag down from my balcony after my complaint. Otherwise, $2K or so?
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:08 pm to
Say you are prepared to settle this matter for free rent free utilities and an ice cream sandwich.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79032 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

I'm thinking $10k since they made me take my LSU flag down from my balcony after my complaint. Otherwise, $2K or so?



Are you going to continue to get fricked monthly on utilities in this scenario?
Posted by jfturner212
1176 Bob Pettit Boulevard
Member since Nov 2004
5470 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:22 pm to
quote:

Are you going to continue to get fricked monthly on utilities in this scenario?


I assume so. The bill would be about 1/3 the current total if corrected. Bills have been between $200-$220 every month so far.

Prior to the email above they offered to let me out of my Lease with no penanlty or pay me $100 to drop the issue. Turned dat shite right down son. All I wanted was the bills fixed for all my bro neighbors and I.. Apparently they don't want to do that.
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56086 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:29 pm to
Semi-fair would be to prorate all those type bills based upon the pro-rata portion of your lease's square footage to the entire square footage of the property.

Would have to consider weighting a commercial property more heavily if they are heavy user of the services. If it's just a little insurance office, i.e. light office use, I'd just let it prorate straight up.

And back adjust all prior payments + legal cost + 25% + the right to fly LSU flags.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 5:33 pm
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:32 pm to
Tell them to pay your bills and in return, you won't let everyone else in on their little secret
Posted by jfturner212
1176 Bob Pettit Boulevard
Member since Nov 2004
5470 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:42 pm to
quote:

Semi-fair would be to prorate all those type bills based upon the pro-rata portion of your lease's square footage to the entire square footage of the property.


I do a little asset management which is why I caught this stuff. The chick had 11,492 sqft (the retail) missing from the total square footage of the building (33,680 sqft). Had to get the total from the county assesors office because management said they didn't know the square footage of their building. I sent them a bunch of spreadsheets and they sent me a cease and desist back. Pretty solid real estate professionals.
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
24539 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:50 pm to
$1 million dollars
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56086 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:55 pm to
If the 11,492 is using the same electricity, water, sewage, gas, trash and upkeep that you are paying into, they will lose in court if it wasn't disclosed

Good luck
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22030 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:59 pm to
I'd cliffnotes it an remove the actual text.
Posted by Tortious
ATX
Member since Nov 2010
5121 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 6:01 pm to
quote:

The chick had


I think you know what you need to ask for as part of any settlement
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 6:48 pm to
You should ask for the amount you've been damaged and then tell that lawyer to lawyer up himself because that is a fricking terrible settlement offer.

Also, stop posting specifics of a legal dispute on an internet forum.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:29 pm to
Answer: force him to litigate, win the dispute and he pays attorney fees out of his arse.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5495 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:38 am to
Key Questions that Need to Be Answered:

What jurisdiction are you in?
(state, parish/county, city)

What penalties might the landlord be facing?
Some jurisdictions have very favorable laws for tenants, particularly when the landlord is overreaching.

What is your likely relief if you prevail in court?
It seems probable that unless your lease allows them to overcharge you (seems unlikely but there may be language in the lease that allows them to charge you the amount that they are), they will have to repay your past overcharges and properly charge you in the future.

What are your costs for going to court?
Will you miss work, have to hire an attorney, pay any costs, research any laws, regulations, or facts?

Have you confirmed that the landlord is unwilling to stop overcharging you by failing to include the first floor retail/restaurant?
Did they imply, did you infer, or was it clearly stated? Was their new attorney involved in negotiation on this specific issue?

If the landlord is going to keep overcharging you, you’re going to either: (A) know how many more months you will be responsible for that bill (i.e. move out date), or (B) you will need ongoing relief from the overcharge (i.e. lump sum settlement might not provide enough relief).

In any event, I would imagine that landlord’s counsel’s fees will be in the neighborhood of $2,000 ($250/hr x 8 hours).
In negotiating with the landlord, I would not count on him giving you those fees in lieu of paying them to his attorney. Fees don’t generally enter the settlement equation directly. He is going to have to pay his attorney to research and draft any settlement anyway.

In conclusion, I would ask for:
past overcharges,
proper charges in the future,
½ penalties (if penalties might be charged to the landlord in your court in your jurisdiction),
½ attorney’s fees that you have ACTUALLY paid (if recoverable in court in your jurisdiction).


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Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:02 pm to
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