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Landlord/Tenant Dispute: Cost of Litigation?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:00 pm
I've got a 955 sqft apartment in an older 24 unit mixed use building. Not submetered for water/sewer/trash. Got first w/s/t bill for $211.00. Knew this had to be wrong so I researched. Turns out landlord has residential tenants paying for 1st floor retail/restaurant w/s/g. Landlord was uncooperative about correcting the bill and issued me a cease and desist... So I filed a hearing with the city.
Now LL's lawyer want to settle.
Excerpt from last email from LL's lawyer..
How much should I ask for from these clowns?
Now LL's lawyer want to settle.
Excerpt from last email from LL's lawyer..
quote:
It will cost my client a significant amount of money for me to defend this matter. Based on my review of the applicable law and facts, I believe that any penalty that might be awarded against my client will be less than my client's litigation expenses. For this reason, due diligence requires me to explore settlement possibilities that will be less costly to my client. If you have a specific proposal for resolving this matter, please let me know, and I would be glad to review it with my client.
How much should I ask for from these clowns?
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:01 pm to jfturner212
Wouldn't be posting an email on here
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:04 pm to TheOcean
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Wouldn't be posting an email on here
shite baw. This is "anonymous".
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:05 pm to jfturner212
You're dumb.
I'd ask for treefiddy
I'd ask for treefiddy
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:05 pm to jfturner212
Is your landlord blueboxer from this thread? LINK /
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:08 pm to Breesus
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I'd ask for treefiddy
I'm thinking $10k since they made me take my LSU flag down from my balcony after my complaint. Otherwise, $2K or so?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:08 pm to jfturner212
Say you are prepared to settle this matter for free rent free utilities and an ice cream sandwich.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:13 pm to jfturner212
quote:
I'm thinking $10k since they made me take my LSU flag down from my balcony after my complaint. Otherwise, $2K or so?
Are you going to continue to get fricked monthly on utilities in this scenario?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:22 pm to Pettifogger
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Are you going to continue to get fricked monthly on utilities in this scenario?
I assume so. The bill would be about 1/3 the current total if corrected. Bills have been between $200-$220 every month so far.
Prior to the email above they offered to let me out of my Lease with no penanlty or pay me $100 to drop the issue. Turned dat shite right down son. All I wanted was the bills fixed for all my bro neighbors and I.. Apparently they don't want to do that.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:29 pm to jfturner212
Semi-fair would be to prorate all those type bills based upon the pro-rata portion of your lease's square footage to the entire square footage of the property.
Would have to consider weighting a commercial property more heavily if they are heavy user of the services. If it's just a little insurance office, i.e. light office use, I'd just let it prorate straight up.
And back adjust all prior payments + legal cost + 25% + the right to fly LSU flags.
Would have to consider weighting a commercial property more heavily if they are heavy user of the services. If it's just a little insurance office, i.e. light office use, I'd just let it prorate straight up.
And back adjust all prior payments + legal cost + 25% + the right to fly LSU flags.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:32 pm to jfturner212
Tell them to pay your bills and in return, you won't let everyone else in on their little secret
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:42 pm to Bullfrog
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Semi-fair would be to prorate all those type bills based upon the pro-rata portion of your lease's square footage to the entire square footage of the property.
I do a little asset management which is why I caught this stuff. The chick had 11,492 sqft (the retail) missing from the total square footage of the building (33,680 sqft). Had to get the total from the county assesors office because management said they didn't know the square footage of their building. I sent them a bunch of spreadsheets and they sent me a cease and desist back. Pretty solid real estate professionals.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:55 pm to jfturner212
If the 11,492 is using the same electricity, water, sewage, gas, trash and upkeep that you are paying into, they will lose in court if it wasn't disclosed
Good luck
Good luck
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:59 pm to jfturner212
I'd cliffnotes it an remove the actual text.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 6:01 pm to jfturner212
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The chick had
I think you know what you need to ask for as part of any settlement
Posted on 5/29/15 at 6:48 pm to jfturner212
You should ask for the amount you've been damaged and then tell that lawyer to lawyer up himself because that is a fricking terrible settlement offer.
Also, stop posting specifics of a legal dispute on an internet forum.
Also, stop posting specifics of a legal dispute on an internet forum.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:29 pm to jfturner212
Answer: force him to litigate, win the dispute and he pays attorney fees out of his arse.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:38 am to jfturner212
Key Questions that Need to Be Answered:
What jurisdiction are you in?
(state, parish/county, city)
What penalties might the landlord be facing?
Some jurisdictions have very favorable laws for tenants, particularly when the landlord is overreaching.
What is your likely relief if you prevail in court?
It seems probable that unless your lease allows them to overcharge you (seems unlikely but there may be language in the lease that allows them to charge you the amount that they are), they will have to repay your past overcharges and properly charge you in the future.
What are your costs for going to court?
Will you miss work, have to hire an attorney, pay any costs, research any laws, regulations, or facts?
Have you confirmed that the landlord is unwilling to stop overcharging you by failing to include the first floor retail/restaurant?
Did they imply, did you infer, or was it clearly stated? Was their new attorney involved in negotiation on this specific issue?
If the landlord is going to keep overcharging you, you’re going to either: (A) know how many more months you will be responsible for that bill (i.e. move out date), or (B) you will need ongoing relief from the overcharge (i.e. lump sum settlement might not provide enough relief).
In any event, I would imagine that landlord’s counsel’s fees will be in the neighborhood of $2,000 ($250/hr x 8 hours).
In negotiating with the landlord, I would not count on him giving you those fees in lieu of paying them to his attorney. Fees don’t generally enter the settlement equation directly. He is going to have to pay his attorney to research and draft any settlement anyway.
In conclusion, I would ask for:
past overcharges,
proper charges in the future,
½ penalties (if penalties might be charged to the landlord in your court in your jurisdiction),
½ attorney’s fees that you have ACTUALLY paid (if recoverable in court in your jurisdiction).
DISCLAIMER: The materials in this post are for informational purposes only and are not legal advice. Use of this post does not create an attorney-client relationship between you and this poster. You should not act upon the information in this post without seeking advice from a lawyer licensed in your own state or country. Please note that you should not send any confidential information pertaining to potential legal services to this poster until you have received written agreement from this poster to perform the legal services you requested. Unless you have received such written confirmation, this poster will not consider any correspondence you send to this poster as confidential.
What jurisdiction are you in?
(state, parish/county, city)
What penalties might the landlord be facing?
Some jurisdictions have very favorable laws for tenants, particularly when the landlord is overreaching.
What is your likely relief if you prevail in court?
It seems probable that unless your lease allows them to overcharge you (seems unlikely but there may be language in the lease that allows them to charge you the amount that they are), they will have to repay your past overcharges and properly charge you in the future.
What are your costs for going to court?
Will you miss work, have to hire an attorney, pay any costs, research any laws, regulations, or facts?
Have you confirmed that the landlord is unwilling to stop overcharging you by failing to include the first floor retail/restaurant?
Did they imply, did you infer, or was it clearly stated? Was their new attorney involved in negotiation on this specific issue?
If the landlord is going to keep overcharging you, you’re going to either: (A) know how many more months you will be responsible for that bill (i.e. move out date), or (B) you will need ongoing relief from the overcharge (i.e. lump sum settlement might not provide enough relief).
In any event, I would imagine that landlord’s counsel’s fees will be in the neighborhood of $2,000 ($250/hr x 8 hours).
In negotiating with the landlord, I would not count on him giving you those fees in lieu of paying them to his attorney. Fees don’t generally enter the settlement equation directly. He is going to have to pay his attorney to research and draft any settlement anyway.
In conclusion, I would ask for:
past overcharges,
proper charges in the future,
½ penalties (if penalties might be charged to the landlord in your court in your jurisdiction),
½ attorney’s fees that you have ACTUALLY paid (if recoverable in court in your jurisdiction).
DISCLAIMER: The materials in this post are for informational purposes only and are not legal advice. Use of this post does not create an attorney-client relationship between you and this poster. You should not act upon the information in this post without seeking advice from a lawyer licensed in your own state or country. Please note that you should not send any confidential information pertaining to potential legal services to this poster until you have received written agreement from this poster to perform the legal services you requested. Unless you have received such written confirmation, this poster will not consider any correspondence you send to this poster as confidential.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:02 pm to Salviati
quote:
DISCLAIMER: The materials in this post are for informational purposes only and are not legal advice. Use of this post does not create an attorney-client relationship between you and this poster. You should not act upon the information in this post without seeking advice from a lawyer licensed in your own state or country. Please note that you should not send any confidential information pertaining to potential legal services to this poster until you have received written agreement from this poster to perform the legal services you requested. Unless you have received such written confirmation, this poster will not consider any correspondence you send to this poster as confidential.
Looks like we know who is a lawyer in this thread
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