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re: It costs a lot of money to live

Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:52 pm to
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/1/13 at 5:52 pm to
I've heard as much as 40% of married couples making over 100 grand a year live paycheck to paycheck. It's very common.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:35 pm to
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but then abstain from running a credit balance.


Well, of course.

Unless the card is offering one of those great teaser rates, paying off a card is almost always the best investment one can make. It's fine to drain emergency funds to do this. If an emergency crops up later you can get money back from the card if you have to.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53140 posts
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:32 pm to
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All depends on available openings and personal connections within your bank though, doesn't it?


my sister is on her third branch. if you get out there and produce results, you'll get promoted. turnover I'd say is above average in te banking industry.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
20693 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 4:36 am to
between my wife, our 3 kids, and myself we have about $3900 a month in expenses and that not including food and gas.

yeah we both make around $24/hr but you got to factor in 401K, doctor bills, insurance, and taxes out of those checks.

Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25309 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 8:23 am to
Looks like you are doing well. You've got a nice roof over your head and you can pay the bills.

You are just getting started and you have a family. I think you see to be doing great so far. You'll work your way up the ladder and put away more money in the future.

I'd prioritize the credit card debt to be honest. If you can knock it down to zero with savings and pay it down to zero every month, then do it.

FWIW, I know many people including myself that earn a great living but still struggle to meet their savings targets.
This post was edited on 2/2/13 at 8:28 am
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/2/13 at 8:46 am to
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I've heard as much as 40% of married couples making over 100 grand a year live paycheck to paycheck. It's very common.


Couple in my last n'hood had 600k house but no health ins. Priorities.

LSUBrad
If you've got 4.2-4.5k in monthly expenses, making 96k, clearing 6k month, you might be living beyond your means. That's 75% of take home straight to lifestyle
This post was edited on 2/2/13 at 8:50 am
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70801 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:19 am to
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I did not make jack (by my standards and probably others) until i was 34. Yes, I got by but was nowhere near where i wanted to be. part of that was getting the experience, education, and working my way up the ladder. takes time.


That's actually not very surprising. Once you build up a good resume, that does a lot for your employability. But it takes time to do that.

I always had trouble even landing an interview in my 20s, but on my last job hunt the dam broke and I scored three interviews and had a choice between two job offers.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112393 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:24 am to
During my first marriage we lived paycheck to paycheck. My wife did the bill paying from our joint account. I found it frustrating because I was wearing rags and never spent any money.

After her first affair she begged for forgiveness and to come back. I did so for the sake of the kids but demanded that we keep totally separate accounts. Within one year I had saved 10K (20K in today's dollars). I then realized that she was spending her money on her stuff and spending my money on mortgage, food, utilities, etc.

When I caught her cheating again the divorce was much easier since I had saved a bundle. Bought her out of her half of the house. Sold it for a big profit.

Now, Zach has no money problems. The key is determining 'wants' vs. 'needs'. She wanted a lot. I wanted very little.
Posted by Cholo
National City, CA
Member since Oct 2012
1076 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:44 am to
I've been fortunate that the Army paid for college and immediately upon graduation I had a job. I was even part of their premier savings plan where you deploy 3 times in a row and never have a chance to spend your money so by 30 you're rich.
Posted by jso0003
Member since Jun 2009
5170 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 11:06 am to
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Now, Zach has no money problems. The key is determining 'wants' vs. 'needs'. She wanted a lot. I wanted very little.


Quit referring to yourself in 3rd person and maybe you wouldn't have a wife who cheated on you multiple times.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162190 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 11:11 am to
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Quit referring to yourself in 3rd person and maybe you wouldn't have a wife who cheated on you multiple times.


You mean the one time he did it?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112393 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 11:25 am to
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Quit referring to yourself in 3rd person and maybe you wouldn't have a wife who cheated on you multiple times.

Actually, her cheating was the best thing to ever happen to me. Now I'm married to a much younger, prettier, richer, smarter girl.
And the reason Zach speaks in 3rd person is in honor of my favorite baseball player.

Posted by horndog
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Member since Apr 2007
11654 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 11:34 am to
It cost me $155 a day for me to live last month, fwiw.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162190 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 11:41 am to
Hope you have a 6 figure income with those expenses
Posted by tojoe
Scott
Member since Oct 2010
335 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 3:01 pm to
Man you might want to look into a new profession with a higher ceiling. Also it sounds like you may not have the right personality for the job.
I used to work at a bank and was feeling exactly like you. I went to work on the oilfield and tripled my salary in 6 years! Sometimes a new start is just what the dr ordered. Just my two cents.


You are not the only one that has been in this situation.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89472 posts
Posted on 2/2/13 at 11:40 pm to
I'm not saying this is the answer to all of your problems. However, in adhering closely to these principles, I am doing dramatically better than I ever have.

Ramsay's Seven Baby Steps

His "free cars" video will challenge you to approach car financing differently, as well.

Drive Free, Retire Rich
This post was edited on 2/2/13 at 11:43 pm
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
20693 posts
Posted on 2/3/13 at 1:58 am to
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LSUBrad If you've got 4.2-4.5k in monthly expenses, making 96k, clearing 6k month, you might be living beyond your means. That's 75% of take home straight to lifestyle


Wifes student loan is taking a large chunk of it, and three kids are not cheap. I look to the future and see the rainbow in 10 yrs :crossfingers:

But if it wasn't for bad luck i would have no luck, could be worse we pay our bills and put food on the table but yeah paycheck to paycheck sucks.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89472 posts
Posted on 2/3/13 at 8:11 am to
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between my wife, our 3 kids, and myself we have about $3900 a month in expenses and that not including food and gas.

yeah we both make around $24/hr but you got to factor in 401K, doctor bills, insurance, and taxes out of those checks.


Brad, my household is in roughly the same situation, except I make all the income. You do NOT have an income problem - you have a spending problem. First thing you need to do is make a budget.

EVERYTHING can be budgeted - emergency fund, cable, water, electricity, whatever. What I did was make a spreadsheet with everything that comes out on a monthly basis - I bolded those that we could do something about and we started to attack that.

Another thing is the stupid Wal-Mart (or however you buy groceries, household cleaners, soap, etc.) expense - set a reasonable limit and stick to it - we do that by taking cash out every paycheck and Garrison Commander has to input every item in a calculator, while in the store, as to not go over budget.

Another area that is overlooked is cable and phones - cut those to the bone. You can nudge your electricity, water, gasoline, etc. expenses, but cannot, really influence the market prices on those. However, there are things you can control - spending at Wal-Mart, spending on hobbies, new car rotation ALL can be directly influenced by household habits.

I'm not saying Ramsay is always right - but the basics of emergency fund, eliminate debt, and plan ahead for expenses by setting aside money for them can go a long way towards restoring financial stability.

Good luck...
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162190 posts
Posted on 2/3/13 at 8:26 am to
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His "free cars" video will challenge you to approach car financing differently, as well.


Youtube is blocked at work, can you give me the premise behind it?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89472 posts
Posted on 2/3/13 at 8:42 am to
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Youtube is blocked at work, can you give me the premise behind it?


Basic stats are average US car is financed and drags a $425 note behind it. You get new car fever every time you pay off the car, so you're constantly paying $425 a month, forever, and what do you have to show for it? A car that is 0 to 5 years old, and worth less than $25k

The response - pay yourself the $425 a month (and Ramsay says put in mutual funds, but wherever you feel comfortable), forever instead of taking the first loan. You gradually increase the quality of car until you're buying new cars, cash, and you're replacing the money (with your $425 per month) faster than you draw it out, so, eventually, it rolls into investment income that pays for your cars and can pay for your retirement, if you start young enough and stick with it.
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