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Is the staff agency giving me the shaft somehow?
Posted on 2/15/13 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 2/15/13 at 7:50 pm
I don't know the typical relationship between the staffing agency and a company, therefore I don't know if there is a vested interest for the staffing company to engage in certain practices.
Basically the situation is this:
I have a job listing I really like in a situation/geography that falls under long term goals. It is a large, multi billion dollar Fortune 500 company if that plays a role.
Inital screening process went through a 3rd party staffing agency. First 3 months I am paid through them, and if the company liked me, they pick up me up directly.
I am scheduled to interview with the company (not the staffing agency, that was all done via phone) in person next week. I was given the address and time of the facility along with tips for the interview. One thing I found interesting was this:
This is compounded with what I feel to be a low balled hourly pay. I can stomach it considering the opportunity, but it's definitely something that I would like some form of pay raise, no matter how small, ASAP. Perhaps when the company picks me up directly after seeing my work for themselves.
My question is this: is that a true statement about the appropriateness of the subject, even if asked.
Or does the 3rd party have a monetary boost for passing along skilled and qualified "cheap" candidates rather than letting the candidate negotiate their own pay?
Unrelated question: why do they hide the company name as long as possible.
Basically the situation is this:
I have a job listing I really like in a situation/geography that falls under long term goals. It is a large, multi billion dollar Fortune 500 company if that plays a role.
Inital screening process went through a 3rd party staffing agency. First 3 months I am paid through them, and if the company liked me, they pick up me up directly.
I am scheduled to interview with the company (not the staffing agency, that was all done via phone) in person next week. I was given the address and time of the facility along with tips for the interview. One thing I found interesting was this:
quote:
It's never appropriate to ask the interviewer about salary, benefits, vacation time, etc. Please direct those questions to me. If the interviewer presses you on salary expectations, a simple direct response is, "Today I want to gain a better understanding of your opening and focus on what I can bring to your company. [my staffing contact] knows my salary expectations, please communicate with [my staffing contact] for details."
This is compounded with what I feel to be a low balled hourly pay. I can stomach it considering the opportunity, but it's definitely something that I would like some form of pay raise, no matter how small, ASAP. Perhaps when the company picks me up directly after seeing my work for themselves.
My question is this: is that a true statement about the appropriateness of the subject, even if asked.
Or does the 3rd party have a monetary boost for passing along skilled and qualified "cheap" candidates rather than letting the candidate negotiate their own pay?
Unrelated question: why do they hide the company name as long as possible.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 7:57 pm
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Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:09 pm to Siderophore
My experience is we pay placement agencies a % of the employees salary. So I don't think they are trying to low ball you.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:16 pm to C
quote:
My experience is we pay placement agencies a % of the employees salary. So I don't think they are trying to low ball you.
That's exactly my thoughts. I'm sure they would love nothing more than to maximize your potential salary.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:18 pm to C
Interesting.
Like I said, I thought it odd that she made a point to emphasize that point, giving me a script to say if they ask me the question.
It is by far the most detailed and emphasized tip given, and thought it odd. Especially as I never heard it to be a breach of etiquette to discuss it in response to a direct question.
Like I said, I thought it odd that she made a point to emphasize that point, giving me a script to say if they ask me the question.
It is by far the most detailed and emphasized tip given, and thought it odd. Especially as I never heard it to be a breach of etiquette to discuss it in response to a direct question.
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:25 pm to Siderophore
I work for a staffing agency, so here's my two cents.
The agency does not want you to discuss rates with the firm for several reasons:
1. They don't want you to know their margins
2. They don't want the firm to know their margins (the firm might already know this)
3. They don't want you to screw up your own negotiation. Staffing firms negotiate rates all day, everyday. They always attempt to maximize their bill rate or placement %, so they'll try and get you the max that they can.
What is the hourly rate? Is it above 30 / hour?
If your rate isn't low (low margins for the agency) then you can probably get a raise. Wait until after the interview, and then say you need 2-3 / hour more because you have another opportunity. I guarantee you can get it, unless the agency has some fixed % worked out with the firm.
EDIT:
I can say without a doubt - if you do discuss money with the firm, the agency will be pissed the f*ck off.
The agency does not want you to discuss rates with the firm for several reasons:
1. They don't want you to know their margins
2. They don't want the firm to know their margins (the firm might already know this)
3. They don't want you to screw up your own negotiation. Staffing firms negotiate rates all day, everyday. They always attempt to maximize their bill rate or placement %, so they'll try and get you the max that they can.
What is the hourly rate? Is it above 30 / hour?
If your rate isn't low (low margins for the agency) then you can probably get a raise. Wait until after the interview, and then say you need 2-3 / hour more because you have another opportunity. I guarantee you can get it, unless the agency has some fixed % worked out with the firm.
EDIT:
I can say without a doubt - if you do discuss money with the firm, the agency will be pissed the f*ck off.
This post was edited on 2/15/13 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 2/15/13 at 8:56 pm to econ85
Keep in mind at this point you are an employee of the staffing agency Not sure of the contract you signed but you ethically have an obligation to the agency.
As an employer I work with a staffing agency who is a trusted vendor. It would help if we knew what wage range we are discussing
As an employer I work with a staffing agency who is a trusted vendor. It would help if we knew what wage range we are discussing
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