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Is it worth accelerating mortgage payment to avoid PMI?

Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:48 pm
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:48 pm
I have a conventional loan on my house when I moved to Oxford, MS. I am currently saving about $2,000/month which is mostly going to student loans now which is $6,500. I am paying $100/month on PMI. The APR on the mortgage is 4.25%, but since PMI is tax deductible, would this warrant accelerating my principle balance until I reach the 20% equity plateau so I can stop wasting money on PMI - thoughts?
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16303 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:59 pm to
When did you get your FHA loan? In certain situations with a FHA loan, you have to pay PMI for the life of the loan. How close are you to 20%?
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:01 pm to
I just closed on the house in July...I am around 6-7% in equity now.
Posted by BayouSizzle
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2016
316 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:05 pm to
Here is how I would view PMI...

Roll it into your Mortgage interest rate after tax deduction.

Determine which is higher:
1. The return you can make on investing that $ (term is the art of the science but recommend estimating on like for like basis as 2 and 3 below)
2. The cost of student loan debt
3. The cost of Mortgage interest debt (including PMI)

Put your $2,000 towards the one that floats to the top.

Note: this is perhaps over-simplified but posting to make the point of how I approach $ investments / debt reduction.

I am certain that others will have opinions that differ from mine. To that, I yield this posting string.

Most important - be who you are. If comfortable working positive spread in your overall portfolio of investment return less debt, then invest away. If you are a peace of mind Dave Ramsey type that wishes debt on no one, rid of your debt.

Sorry for the easy answer, but I truly believe this is the honestly correct answer.
Posted by BayouSizzle
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2016
316 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:06 pm to
note: # 3 above is net of tax deductions (this is important -- sorry I missed above)
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55217 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:07 pm to
How big is your mortgage? $1,200 for pmi?
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:09 pm to
quote:

How big is your mortgage? $1,200 for pmi?


Principal balance is $134,435
PMI/FHA Ins Dis is $99.28
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55217 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:11 pm to
So the $100 is your pmi AND your homeowners?
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:13 pm to
Sorry, no...all this is new to me and kind of streams together in my mind

PMI is $99.28
My annual premium for hazard insurance is $906.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55217 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:16 pm to
Wow I had no idea pmi was that much, I've always had 20% equity in my houses.

Heck yes I'd work hard to get to where you didn't have to pay that.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:19 pm to
It is calculated at the original loan balance x 1% and then divided by 12 for monthly payments until 20% is achieved. I am unsure how much is tax deductible, so it is really hard to quantify what the best route is.
Posted by AnonymousTiger
Franklin, TN
Member since Jan 2012
4863 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:24 pm to
If you closed an FHA in July you have the PMI for the life of the loan. At least, that is how I understand the recent changes.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:31 pm to
Can I refinance my loan later?
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80087 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

Can I refinance my loan later?


Unless they have changed the rules in the last few years, yes.... You will have to pay for a new appraisal and if you then have 20% equity or put down more cash to get there, you will avoid pmi.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:51 pm to
And this is the only way to avoid paying PMI forever? Seems worth doing, no?
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80087 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:58 pm to
quote:

Seems worth doing, no?


Depends on closing costs, refi rate, and how long you plan on staying in the house
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:02 pm to
Okay, this may change things...I just pulled out the settlement statements on both my houses. This one I am referring to is a Conventional Loan (I think it was a Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae). Does this changes things?

FreddiMac.com

quote:

Fortunately, when it comes to the size of your down payment you have choices – and a growing number of today's buyers are putting down between 5 and 10%. Sure, you'll have to pay PMI for a conventional loan with a down payment of less than 20%, but it means you'll be able to take advantage of today's historically low mortgage rates and affordable home prices in many parts of the country. And, once you've built equity of 20% in your home, making the amount you owe on your mortgage 80% or less of its value, you can cancel your PMI and remove that added expense from your monthly payment. For borrowers with FHA loans, you'll be responsible for paying FHA mortgage insurance premiums for the life of the loan.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 8:04 pm
Posted by Dagoose
Knoxville TN
Member since Nov 2014
541 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

If you closed an FHA in July you have the PMI for the life of the loan.


This is correct
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
1112 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:31 pm to
If its conventional, you can request a new appraisal and if you are better than 80%LTV, then PMI can be removed.

If its conventional, it should automatically remove at 78% LTV based on previous appraisal.

If FHA after July 2013, the FHA monthly MI is for the life of the loan. Calculated based on remaining principal balance each year.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47369 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:48 pm to
quote:

If its conventional, you can request a new appraisal and if you are better than 80%LTV, then PMI can be removed.

If its conventional, it should automatically remove at 78% LTV based on previous appraisal.


Yeah, I had to look it up because I was getting my mortgages mixed up. Fortunately, this one is conventional. My other is FHA but I am selling it this year anyway. Thank God!!
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