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How would you handle this situation? re: Initial Job Interview and Salary
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:43 pm
I'm in an industry where titles are often inflated or deflated based on the organization so when a position is posted, it's often hard to judge the pay-scale. That being said, I sent my resume to a company with a title equal to mine currently but in a bigger market. There wasn't a salary range listed on the job description, nor was I asked to insert my desired requirements.
I receive an email from the company today indicating they'd like to setup a phone interview with me for later this week. Included in the email is the salary range which at the high-end is 20% less than my current and the market is about 5% more expensive than BR.
How would you reply to the email (abridged below)?
- Yes, I'm available for an interview.
- Yes, I'm available for an interview however if I were to be offered the position, the Salary would need to be negotiated.
- Thanks for the email, but given the posted salary range, I will not be a suitable candidate.
Obviously, I think the last of the three is not ideal; but more curious as to how you'd respond to the request for an interview knowing the salary range needs to be increased significantly.
I receive an email from the company today indicating they'd like to setup a phone interview with me for later this week. Included in the email is the salary range which at the high-end is 20% less than my current and the market is about 5% more expensive than BR.
How would you reply to the email (abridged below)?
- Yes, I'm available for an interview.
- Yes, I'm available for an interview however if I were to be offered the position, the Salary would need to be negotiated.
- Thanks for the email, but given the posted salary range, I will not be a suitable candidate.
Obviously, I think the last of the three is not ideal; but more curious as to how you'd respond to the request for an interview knowing the salary range needs to be increased significantly.
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:46 pm to Golfer
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Yes, I'm available for an interview.
I would address the salary during the interview, not through email.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:47 pm to Golfer
Get them hooked and then talk salary has usually been my philosophy. Unless you just blow everyone out of the water on paper, then telling them you are more expensive at this point will likely just cause them to move on to the next person without blinking.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:53 pm to elposter
quote:
Get them hooked and then talk salary has usually been my philosophy.
Yup, but you may be wasting your time...
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:59 pm to elposter
quote:
Get them hooked and then talk salary has usually been my philosophy. Unless you just blow everyone out of the water on paper, then telling them you are more expensive at this point will likely just cause them to move on to the next person without blinking.
This is a great strategy if you are a little off, but 20% off?
How big is the company? Smaller companies have more flexibility than larger companies. But I would offer to do a phone interview, and ask the HR person this question. if its not flexible, then pull yourself out.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:01 pm to Lsut81
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Yup, but you may be wasting your time...
And the interviewers. 20% is a big difference and it sounds like you would need at least 10% more than what you are currently making for it to be worth it unless other conditions add value. I'd reply with the second so they know the aren't going to get you on board for what they are offering.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:02 pm to Golfer
they are being upfront about salary though.
Say you go through interviewing, they love you, offer you the job, you ask for 20% more and they are gonna be "WTF!? We laid out our range for you in the very beginning." They may be upset you wasted their time when you could have known they couldn't afford you.
If you are really in love with this company and still interested then for sure interview, if not, why not keep looking? There are tons of jobs. Even if they were to match your current salary by bumping up a whopping 20%, I wouldn't leave jobs unless I was getting a sizable raise, not a lateral move.
To each his own though.
Say you go through interviewing, they love you, offer you the job, you ask for 20% more and they are gonna be "WTF!? We laid out our range for you in the very beginning." They may be upset you wasted their time when you could have known they couldn't afford you.
If you are really in love with this company and still interested then for sure interview, if not, why not keep looking? There are tons of jobs. Even if they were to match your current salary by bumping up a whopping 20%, I wouldn't leave jobs unless I was getting a sizable raise, not a lateral move.
To each his own though.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:04 pm to Lsut81
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Yup, but you may be wasting your time...
Why would wasting time be a bad thing? I think everyone should interview once a year to keep fresh. I don't think it would be a waste of time and if they ended up making an offer to the OP then he could explain why he needed more money. Like he said, the cost of living is 5% higher so that could be one of his arguments to get more money along with his experience in the position and what he can immediately bring to the company.
OP, I say go for the interview. The worst thing that could happen is they don't give you the money you'd like and you walk away.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:23 pm to CHiPs25
In my experience, a phone interview doesn't mean much. I've gotten my hopes up a few times over a phone interview, only to have them dashed.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:23 pm to Golfer
Honestly I probably wouldn't reply.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:34 pm to yellowfin
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Honestly I probably wouldn't reply.
Agreed. They gave you the range. You'd be wasting everyone's time to go through the interview process only to tell them they are 20% short on the offer. Either be honest up front or don't interview.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:34 pm to CHiPs25
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Why would wasting time be a bad thing?
I'm saying if he goes down the path of a face to face ... He said the employer was in a different market, so he'd have to take time off of work, travel, etc... All for not.
I agree, if its local, its always great to do an interview. Keeps you fresh and polished.
ETA: The unknown are the other benefits... Do you know these? Similar 401k match? Health Benefits? LTI?
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:45 pm to Golfer
Do the Interview. Yes, you may be wasting some time but that's minor compared to all the time you're wasting on this thread.
Salary negotiations come later and you never know, job quality, flexibility, benefits etc. may offset the crappy you're trying to get out of now.
Salary negotiations come later and you never know, job quality, flexibility, benefits etc. may offset the crappy you're trying to get out of now.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:48 pm to yellowfin
I should also add that the request for the interview was from my would-be boss and it's a small company.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 4:53 pm to Golfer
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it's a small company.
So likely wouldn't have a substantial gain in 401k, LTI, or insurance over what you currently have?
20% is a steep drop, but personally, I would take that decrease if I could find a role that allowed me more freedom to enjoy life.
I don't know what your current situation is in those regards.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:31 pm to Golfer
quote:I would call him directly and explain the situation and ask his opinion. If he is the type of guy you want to work for, he will appreciate your honesty and would probably remember you if something changed in the future. He could probably also give you an indication of other perks and if they would be willing to negotiate their listed salary.
I should also add that the request for the interview was from my would-be boss and it's a small company.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:51 pm to 318TigerFan
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I would address the salary during the interview, not through email.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 9:33 pm to kywildcatfanone
Address it in the early stages of the interview.
I had a similar issue when I was looking for a job. One company did not do paid overtime and every other one did. I brought up that issue in the interview and the manager was appreciative. They even offered me a job surprisingly.
I had a similar issue when I was looking for a job. One company did not do paid overtime and every other one did. I brought up that issue in the interview and the manager was appreciative. They even offered me a job surprisingly.
Posted on 5/2/14 at 8:26 pm to eng08
Wanted to update y'all on the situation. I emailed him back Wednesday evening within 3 hours of his initial email.
I first gave him my availability on Thurs and Friday for a phone call as he indicated he wanted to talk this week. I then noted that "seeing that you listed the salary range for the job, I wanted to be forthcoming that my current salary is greater than this range. I would still like to talk to you about the position so I can get a better understanding of the role."
Never heard back from him. Oh well...
I first gave him my availability on Thurs and Friday for a phone call as he indicated he wanted to talk this week. I then noted that "seeing that you listed the salary range for the job, I wanted to be forthcoming that my current salary is greater than this range. I would still like to talk to you about the position so I can get a better understanding of the role."
Never heard back from him. Oh well...
Posted on 5/2/14 at 11:51 pm to Golfer
You played it correctly. Didn't waste anyone's time and still reached out.
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