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Flood insurance rate increases

Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:34 am
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24946 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:34 am
Just paid my flood insurance and it just about doubled from last years bill. Went from $375 to $655 Just wanted to see if everyone else is experiencing a similar rate increase.
Posted by Oenophile Brah
The Edge of Sanity
Member since Jan 2013
7540 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:43 am to
I don't renew until August but was told to expect an increase. I currently pay just over $400 so I wonder if I see a similar increase.
Posted by LSUEEAlum
Member since Oct 2013
788 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:00 pm to
My dad just got his and the samething. He called his ins company and they got in touch with FEMA. They said it was a mistake. Apparently letters were suppose to go out asking to confirm if it is your primary residence. My dad never got his. So FEMA defaulted to it not being his primary residence. Which adds $250 to your flood ins. So they are resending his letter so he can confirm its his primary residence. So it sounds like that this was a glitch in the FEMA system and none of the verification letters got sent out. So I would call your agent to have them get in touch with FEMA.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24946 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 1:10 pm to
I did get that letter and when i called my allstate agent they said that they took care of it.... I am going to be pissed if they screwed this up. Already sent off the check though
Posted by Shadowlink
The Shadows
Member since Apr 2014
1434 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 2:17 pm to
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I did get that letter and when i called my allstate agent they said that they took care of it
Probably because you have Auto insurance with Allstate. Auto insurance is a form of proof FEMA does accept.
Posted by MG
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
275 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 4:15 pm to
I received the same letter. Signed it with copy of my license and sent it to my insurance agent. I still got a bill for $250 higher. I called the flood insurance company (not my agent). The guy let me email the signed form to them. He adjusted the balance and I paid right then and there.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11470 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 4:29 pm to
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Just paid my flood insurance and it just about doubled from last years bill. Went from $375 to $655 Just wanted to see if everyone else is experiencing a similar rate increase.


One of the many hidden taxes from our Federal Government. It was a racket when I paid. When they last expanded the flood area my neighbor was considered out of the flood plain and I was in. My house was clearly higher than his. I figured they must need more people paying so all those people could live around New Orleans.

It is a tax plain and simple. It is also a subsidy for folks to be able to live in a flood prone area.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 4:41 pm to
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It is a tax plain and simple


It's not a tax, its just an insurance program that is about $24B in the hole. They can't just get rid of it now though. It's kinda of like the post office, imo. You have to have it but it can never be profitable.

ETA: If the Federal Flood was not available, I believe flood insurance would be even more expensive through private companies.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 4:46 pm
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11470 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 4:53 pm to
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It's not a tax


It is a tax to people who will never flood. I paid it to live in a place that will literally never flood. FEMA even thought my neighbor who appeared lower than me wouldn't flood.

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If the Federal Flood was not available, I believe flood insurance would be even more expensive through private companies.


People probably wouldn't live in flooding areas and force the taxpayers to pay for it via FEMA and subsidies.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41151 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 5:25 pm to
quote:

It is a tax to people who will never flood. I paid it to live in a place that will literally never flood. FEMA even thought my neighbor who appeared lower than me wouldn't flood


While I would never advocate to go without flood insurance, if you are sure you are never going to flood and since it isn't a tax, don't pay it.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27678 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 6:33 pm to
NFIP is a complete clusterfrick. They said there was a glitch in there system and over half of the policies serviced through NFIP are not receiving the proof of residency letters, resulting in increases of $250 in flood premiums ($250 surcharge on all flood policies not written on primary residences).

Most people won't notice since mortgage companies pay the premiums. They'll notice it when their Escrow rebalanced though.

If this happened to you, call your agent to correct it.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 6:36 pm
Posted by Jwodie
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2009
7191 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:11 pm to
You can blame your increases at least in part to FEMA now efforting to settle all remaining Sandy claims in litigation for remaining policy limits. Oh and they're also to reopen ALL 140,000+ closed claims to re-review them in the event the insured(s) think they weren't paid enough. Why? Because New Yorkers and New Jersians and their shore houses are special. Certainly more special than Katrina claimants whose primary residence was sitting in water for weeks, not 24-48 hrs.

fricking joke. NFIP being a clusterfrick is right.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 9:13 pm
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11470 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:23 am to
quote:

While I would never advocate to go without flood insurance, if you are sure you are never going to flood and since it isn't a tax, don't pay it.





You have to pay it. Therefore, it is a tax. The government created a system where you do not have a choice unless you pay 100% cash for your house.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:25 am to
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The government created a system where you do not have a choice unless you pay 100% cash for your house.


Just because a bank requires you to have insurance to take out a mortgage, doesn't make flood insurance a tax. If you don't want to pay flood insurance, move out of a flood zone or take out your mortgage from a bank that is not FDIC protected.

ETA: From the NFIP Website...

quote:

If the property is not in a high-risk area, but instead in a moderate-to-low risk area, federal law does not require flood insurance; however, a lender can still require it. In fact, nearly 1 in 4 NFIP flood claims occur in these moderate- to low-risk areas! Note that if during the life of the loan the maps are revised and the property is now in the high-risk area, your lender will notify you that you must purchase flood insurance.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 10:33 am
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11470 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:55 am to
Insurance provided by the federal government. Based on maps put together by the federal government. Big banks and the federal government helping each other out.

Sounds legit.

I hope you understand this is a subsidy for people to live in disaster prone areas. That is all it is. Republicans/Red State Louisiana highly support it but don't realize it is a subsidy. Those same people scream about handouts to everyone else. I also hope everyone's rate increases enough to where taxpayers do not have to foot the bill for people who choose to live in flood prone areas.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 11:56 am
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:44 pm to
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I hope you understand this is a subsidy for people to live in disaster prone areas.


That is exactly right. That is how insurance works. Knocking on wood, I have not had an auto claim with state farm since beginning to drive. I am subsidizing all other drivers who do have claims. That is, by design, how insurance works. The problem is that the values that lay in coastal/flood areas are so high, nobody wants to ensure it. I just wonder what the landscape of business would be in those areas without the fed backing up loans for property.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

bayoudude
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Just paid my flood insurance and it just about doubled from last years bill. Went from $375 to $655 Just wanted to see if everyone else is experiencing a similar rate increase.


Look for 20-25% increases this year across the board, and continuing increases moving forward. Eventually people will stop buying homes below BFE, which means developers will either build neighborhoods up, mitigate them beforehand entirely, or stop developing in flood-prone areas.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1386 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

I hope you understand this is a subsidy for people to live in disaster prone areas. That is all it is. Republicans/Red State Louisiana highly support it but don't realize it is a subsidy. Those same people scream about handouts to everyone else. I also hope everyone's rate increases enough to where taxpayers do not have to foot the bill for people who choose to live in flood prone areas.


Most of those flood prone areas are not in the south, and if the NFIP didn't exist you would have no economic activity along the entire coastline of most major rivers in the US.

The NFIP began due to frequent flooding in Midwestern states from the Ohio and Mississippi rivers like Wisconsin, Illinois and Iowa, and not coastal flooding.

The primary function of flood insurance is to facilitate commerce where economic investment would not otherwise occur, like within 50-100 miles of a major river.

FYI, as an insurance program, the NFIP has been profitable over its existence (premiums collected exceed claims paid) but the annual surpluses have been plundered by the Treasury to waste on other programs (similar to the Social Security trust fund).

We citizens now get to replace the stolen surplus.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166075 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Insurance provided by the federal government. Based on maps put together by the federal government. Big banks and the federal government helping each other out.

Sounds legit.

I hope you understand this is a subsidy for people to live in disaster prone areas. That is all it is. Republicans/Red State Louisiana highly support it but don't realize it is a subsidy. Those same people scream about handouts to everyone else. I also hope everyone's rate increases enough to where taxpayers do not have to foot the bill for people who choose to live in flood prone areas.


You do understand every year there are major floods in areas all across country that "haven't flood in 200 years etc" ...
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 3:08 pm to
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Chad504boy
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You do understand every year there are major floods in areas all across country that "haven't flood in 200 years etc" ...


He's not interested in the responses. Or reality either it seems. At least judging by what he thinks of the NFIP.

I guess FHA and USDA's Rural Development funds were created to be handouts as well.
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